Little Dragon
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Unfortunately I have no influence over the IDF or Israeli government. I have no idea how bad this is going to get. I can only wring my hands and feel sick, like every other foreign observer.
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Hamas vs. Israel, a thought experiment
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Then we agree...
Either you are not staying up to date on historical data or you are simply not wanting to acknowledge reality...
As long as you don't ignore the war because of the innocents killed by Hamas
Ditto.
InChrist
Free4ever
The land of Israel was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants by the God of Israel-Creator of heaven and earth. No god gave that particular land to Arabs in Gaza, now called “Palestinians “. Nevertheless, Israel has given up land with the hope of peace, only to be continually attacked.
“Who lived in the newly designated Palestine and were thus known as "Palestinians"? Jews, of course. Chase them out and they return to the land God gave to their forebears. At that time, Arabs hadn't even dreamed that "Palestine" was their land. That ambition would not take hold for another five hundred years until the advent of Islam—and even then Arabs would not call themselves Palestinians.”
Nuggets from "Judgment Day: Islam, Israel, and the Nations" by Dave Hunt
Nuggets from "Judgment Day: Islam, Israel, and the Nations" by Dave Hunt Who lived in the newly designated Palestine and were thus known as "Palestinians"? Jews, of course. Chase
“Israel subsequently "gave back" Gaza, which historically belonged to her. She generously left operative the huge greenhouses that had fed Israel and much of Europe with fresh vegetables and could have done the same for the new "owners." Instead, these new owners tore the structures apart, and the mob carried off the materials for their individual use, thereby losing the potential income from exports that Israel had derived as well as the ability to feed themselves.
Going back to history, in 135 A.D., the Romans destroyed 1,000 Jewish villages, killed 500,000 Jews, and enslaved thousands. Furious that they'd been forced to bring in more legions to quell the rebellion, the Romans angrily renamed what had for more than 1,500 years been known as Israel. They called it Provincia Palestina after the Philistines, Israel's ancient enemies. Those living there became known as Palestinians. Who lived there? Jews! So Jews, ironically were the first "Palestinians." This is what they were called (along with many derisive names that have followed them as they've been hunted from country to country). Only in the 1950s did the Arabs begin to call themselves "Palestinians" in order to gain worldwide sympathy for their acts of terrorism even as UN pressure squeezed Israel into an ever-smaller corner in order to facilitate her destruction. (We document all of this and much more in Judgment Day.)”
Israel and Prophetic Proof Part II
Israel is the major topic of Bible prophecy, mentioned more than 2,900 times, nearly twice as many times as her Messiah. Without Israel there would be no Messiah and no salvation for anyone, Jew or Ge
InChrist
Free4ever
Who is it that is determined to exterminate the other side? Israel never said they would exterminate the Palestinians. Who is it that initiates terrorist attacks on a continual basis? Who are the suicide bombers?
The Jewish Semites were only given Judah by a god. And other Semites were given the rest of Palestine by the god, and the rest of the world was given to non-Semites by the god.The land of Israel was given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants by the God of Israel-Creator of heaven and earth. No god gave that particular land to Arabs in Gaza, now called “Palestinians “. Nevertheless, Israel has given up land with the hope of peace, only to be continually attacked.
“Who lived in the newly designated Palestine and were thus known as "Palestinians"? Jews, of course. Chase them out and they return to the land God gave to their forebears. At that time, Arabs hadn't even dreamed that "Palestine" was their land. That ambition would not take hold for another five hundred years until the advent of Islam—and even then Arabs would not call themselves Palestinians.”
Nuggets from "Judgment Day: Islam, Israel, and the Nations" by Dave Hunt
Nuggets from "Judgment Day: Islam, Israel, and the Nations" by Dave Hunt Who lived in the newly designated Palestine and were thus known as "Palestinians"? Jews, of course. Chasewww.thebereancall.org
“Israel subsequently "gave back" Gaza, which historically belonged to her. She generously left operative the huge greenhouses that had fed Israel and much of Europe with fresh vegetables and could have done the same for the new "owners." Instead, these new owners tore the structures apart, and the mob carried off the materials for their individual use, thereby losing the potential income from exports that Israel had derived as well as the ability to feed themselves.
Going back to history, in 135 A.D., the Romans destroyed 1,000 Jewish villages, killed 500,000 Jews, and enslaved thousands. Furious that they'd been forced to bring in more legions to quell the rebellion, the Romans angrily renamed what had for more than 1,500 years been known as Israel. They called it Provincia Palestina after the Philistines, Israel's ancient enemies. Those living there became known as Palestinians. Who lived there? Jews! So Jews, ironically were the first "Palestinians." This is what they were called (along with many derisive names that have followed them as they've been hunted from country to country). Only in the 1950s did the Arabs begin to call themselves "Palestinians" in order to gain worldwide sympathy for their acts of terrorism even as UN pressure squeezed Israel into an ever-smaller corner in order to facilitate her destruction. (We document all of this and much more in Judgment Day.)”
Israel and Prophetic Proof Part II
Israel is the major topic of Bible prophecy, mentioned more than 2,900 times, nearly twice as many times as her Messiah. Without Israel there would be no Messiah and no salvation for anyone, Jew or Ge
And the Jewish Semites supported the non-Jewish Semites against the crusaders when they tried to take over Palestine.
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You keep saying that ignore such
things that I repeatedly address.
This inspires no response.
Then, when you respond, don't use unilateral statements like:
As if the other party is a party of saints while they chop off the heads of babies. After all, as you make it seem, it's Israeli's fault that the Hamas is retaliating in such a fashion.
It makes you seem irrelevant in the conversation. IMV.
If I asked you a specific question, would you answer?
I doubt it.
I would like to know what you think of what was done during the Obama administration in the Mediterranean area.
Do you think it was good?
Do you think the US sided with the good guys?
You can't analyze a minuscule strip of land in the Mediterranean, without analyzing and understanding the geopolitical context of what the Obama administration did.
There was a before and after Obama. It was a complete destabilization.
The Mediterranean area was completely destabilized, because certain countries became more and more radical and intransigent (just think of Turkey, a NATO member, go figure).
And Hamas as well, was empowered, thanks to what the Gulf countries were allowed to do with their billions.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, what would you propose they do? Mind you, I consider Gandhi to be a mentor of mine, so this should tell you where I'm coming from.
This AM, I was able to see the images of the impact at the hospital in gaza.
It was about the size of a bathtub. It was in the courtyard and the buildings are still standing. No way 500 or 800 people were killed by that blast
I doubt very seriously that it was an israeli weapon. It was too small.
It could have been a rocket fired from within gaza that failed to make it out of the strip.
A perfect example of mistakes that can happen in war.
I am hoping that the people of the region can stop raising the tensions in the protests.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
False, but I have disagreed with some of their decisions, particularly the Likud & associated right-wing parties.
While this is true, Egypt and Israel was on opposite sides and was openly at war. Even then Israel killed 10 times as many Palestinians as Palestinians killed Israel's. Currently I do not think that will be the situation if Egypt does control Gaza.List of attacks against Israeli civilians before 1967 - Wikipedia
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What do you think of the countries of the Gulf...you know...those radical, fundamentalist countries led by moneyed people, and where women are treated like property?
They are never brought up in the discussion. Streisand effect.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
You're still not capable of productive conversation, huh? Still content to just call people stupid and not actually engage with what they say, preferring to just insult them instead. That's pretty sad. If you care to stop posting such stupid nonsense and try reading what others say and respond with some kind of intelligent comment, feel free to let me know. If you choose to throw around insults that make absolutely no sense, maybe just go away.
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Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
And what efforts were those? Just "offering peace" isn't good enough. They basically came in and took over the area that is Israel and relegated Palestinians to Gaza and the West Bank. What exactly did they offer them after that?
If a politician offers to legalize abortion with the conditions that we have to institute Trump as king, are they really offering to legalize abortion? When others reject the deal, would you say "Well, they offered to legalize abortion, but you refused!".
If Israel was interested in peace, they wouldn't be blockading Gaza and restricting their access to basic things like food and medicine.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
A country who actively inflames tensions with another is not interested in peace with them. Israel uses its power to control Gaza and ignore violence by its people against Palestinians in the West Bank. That's not "seeking peace".
Logically a rule such as that would produce more killing of children and civilians.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I like the emotional accusation followed by condescension. Well done. But ignoring that, can you tell me in what way you think Hamas's attack negates the analogy?
Israel has all the power. They have a full, advanced military funded by Western powers like the U.S. They have a fully functional modern state with things like an advanced healthcare system and economy. They take actions that specifically inflame tensions with Palestinians. They functionally control Gaza. They allow Israeli settler violence against Palestinians and the displacement of hundreds of Palestinians in the West Bank.
Obviously Hamas's attack was wrong and horrible. Just don't ignore Israel's actions that led up to it.
Thank you Monty for not claiming "Jews" are doing it.
Zionist come in many flavors. In fact there are more christians claiming to be zionist than Jews by a huge margin.
Removing Palestinians from their homes is not quite a genocide but a huge amount of Palestinians removed from Jerusalem are the majority of families now in the 'concentration camp' GAZA.
The median age of GAZA is 18 yrs old. About 38% of the population is 14 yrs old or less.
Almost every bomb shot into gaza, is going to kill women and children.
Sad reality