Instead of endlessly condemning Israel, they could put some heat on Hamas, Hezhollah, Jordan, Iran and Egypt - all of whom share some responsibility for this mess.
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Hamas, innocent Palestinians, and the UN
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They are well known for not taking much action for anything imo.
We Never Know
No Slack
They could do what they are supposed to do.
Israel has been a member of the United Nations since 1949.
"The purposes of the United Nations, as set forth in the Charter are:
- to maintain international peace and security
- to develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples
- to cooperate in solving international economic, social, cultural and humanitarian problems and in promoting respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms
- to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in attaining these common ends
UN Charter | United Nations
One aspect perplexes me - the anomaly - concerning Gaza and its people. How is it that the Palestinians in Gaza are generally considered to be entirely innocent, and mostly they probably are apart from those who fervently support Hamas, but where the leadership of Hamas can carry out horrific crimes (as they did against Israel), with such not being justified by any prior equivalence in the history between the two sides (the sheer appalling brutality of this), given this was about as far distant from any decent morality as one can get?
We seem to have a situation where the civilians are constantly portrayed as the innocent victims all the time but where the associated leadership can carry out such war crimes - so a bit convenient. Is this a bit of an anomaly or even schizophrenic - it's not moral when others do such but it is when we do so? Unless of course the civilian population repudiated such actions. Never going to happen though, is it. And are those living in Gaza also in agreement with being used as pawns (very much sacrificial ones too it seems) in a larger game, involving Arabs or Muslims as a whole, in a vast game of political and/or religious chess?
Unless this is the future - a civilian population claiming innocence and distancing themselves from any leadership which can then do at the same time the most heinous crimes. Most convenient.
We seem to have a situation where the civilians are constantly portrayed as the innocent victims all the time but where the associated leadership can carry out such war crimes - so a bit convenient. Is this a bit of an anomaly or even schizophrenic - it's not moral when others do such but it is when we do so? Unless of course the civilian population repudiated such actions. Never going to happen though, is it. And are those living in Gaza also in agreement with being used as pawns (very much sacrificial ones too it seems) in a larger game, involving Arabs or Muslims as a whole, in a vast game of political and/or religious chess?
Unless this is the future - a civilian population claiming innocence and distancing themselves from any leadership which can then do at the same time the most heinous crimes. Most convenient.
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The US blocked the latest attempt by the UN to take action on human rights .. as it has done numerous times in the past. The UN has called out Israel on war crimes and crimes against humanity on a regular basis in this 7 decade long blood feud .. but every time it tries to do something US blocks it.
The Palestinians have the right to self defence against the occupier .. just like the good citizens of Ukraine. If we would have armed the Palestinians like we did the Ukrainians .. I would venture to guess that these problems would have been resolved long ago ...
Ponder This
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It's true, the U.N. has passed many resolutions pointing out the many violations of Israel against its various neighbors. There's a substantial history of such violations. Israel has also ignored U.N. resolutions.
A resolution to condemn Hamas has been put before the U.N. There are reasons such resolutions have been vetoed. Obviously, there are member nations with reservations and the more member nations in the region you want to paint with condemnation the less likely such a resolution is to pass, but even the U.S. has vetoed such a resolution because it failed to "mention Israel's right of self-defence".
If by "action" you mean "pass a resolution". The U.N. has passed many. In the case of Israel, it can be said that many U.N. resolutions have had very little effect on curbing violent behavior. Only occasionally will a U.N. resolution will have a noticable impact. Also, it takes time for a U.N. resolution to pass.
Resolutions have been proposed and discussed. Resolutions are being proposed and discussed. That is the U.N. They are not a dictator that can instantly declare whatever it wants on a whim.They could do what they are supposed to do.
Israel has been a member of the United Nations since 1949.
"The purposes of the United Nations, as set forth in the Charter are:
- to maintain international peace and security
- to develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples
- to cooperate in solving international economic, social, cultural and humanitarian problems and in promoting respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms
- to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in attaining these common ends
UN Charter | United Nations
www.un.org
While Israel is a member state of the U.N., that doesn't mean that Palestine isn't also recognized by the U.N. as a non-member state.
Moreover, the U.N.'s method is not to be, itself, a cause of violence in the supposed aims of peace and security.
You say, they should do "what they are supposed to do". Doesn't "what they are supposed to do" include deliberation and discussion with the aim to promote friendly relations among nations, cooperation in solving international problems, and harmonzing the actions of nations in attaining common ends? Perhaps, the U.N. is already doing what the U.N. is supposed to do and doing it in the manner that it has been designed to do it.
I'm of the opinion that the UN is often coerced by the OIC, any thoughts on that?
ZooGirl02
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The situation with Palestine is not good. I honestly feel very sorry for them, although I side more with Israel when it comes to the war going on. Hamas is a terrorist group, and they do need to be eliminated. Israel has a right to live free from the threat of attack. But then again, Palestine also has a right to live in peace, and they have a right to not be persecuted by the Israelis. I've read different things about mistreatment from the Israeli side, but that doesn't justify Hamas' actions.
Yerda
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Coerced? Why?
I think that Turkey democratically elected this leader who said these things.
www.reuters.com
Turkey doesn't belong in the European Union. Because of the people who have this ideology.
We Europeans need to preserve ourselves from people who have this destructive ideology.
Turkey's Erdogan says Hamas is not terrorist organisation, cancels trip to Israel
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, in his strongest comments yet on the Gaza conflict, said on Wednesday the Palestinian militant group Hamas was not a terrorist organisation but a liberation group fighting to protect Palestinian lands.
Turkey doesn't belong in the European Union. Because of the people who have this ideology.
We Europeans need to preserve ourselves from people who have this destructive ideology.
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Colt
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At the end of the day, underneath all of the bs is antisemitism! The double standard in how Israel is supposed to respond as a state to a massive attack on its civilian population reveals the pre-existing hatred for the Jews! Same Hitler different rationalization!
Colt
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The aid is used to fund the "final solution" like Hitlers final solution!
My claim is that the UN is often coerced by the OIC...
OIC stands for Organization of Islamic Cooperation. It has 57 member countries. It is a huge voting block in the UN. Not surprisingly, its agenda is to to further Islamic causes. So it coerces the UN to further its agenda, correct?
Yes.
Also considering the enormous economic power that those fundamentalist countries of the Gulf have.
And the number of bribable, treacherous individuals in the West.
Colt
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Colt
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Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine (1517-Present)
Having been in the region continuously for at least 3500+ years the above census link shows the population growth since the 1500's.
Colt
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The link shows the number of Jews and non-Jews living in the region of Palestine from the 1500's.Sorry...what do you mean?
I am a foreigner...so I need people to speak clearly.
Colt
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Some people in the world seem to think that Israel or Jews living in the region called "Palestine" began in 1947And...?
What's your point?