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GOP nightmare is here: Sanders Is Budget Chair

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by sun rise, Jan 19, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Don't worry, he has a direct line with the Kremlin.
     
  2. Jaiket

    Jaiket Well-Known Member
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    I heard he communes with the ghost of Stalin and they're plotting together to do communism.
     
  3. icehorse

    icehorse Veteran Member
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    haha. I largely agree with your post, but I guess my thought is that the Dems have 3/4 of that teaspoon :)

    So, even though what you say is true, I feel that - in general - the Dems are less corrupt than the GOP.
     
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    Its a feeling but real hard to justify.
    "List of United States federal officials convicted of corruption offenses - Wikipedia" List of United States federal officials convicted of corruption offenses - Wikipedia
     
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    Given that we're agreed that corruption and lying is rampant in both parties, I feel some tiny bit of comfort when:

    - Dems at least admit that climate change is an issue
    - Dems at least purport to want to provide affordable healthcare and have implemented something
    - Dems at least purport to see income and wealth inequality as an issue

    In contrast, the GOP tends to even acknowledge these problems
     
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    The gop is not exactly leading on
    climate.
    On the other two, there are different plans to address the issues but concern/ lack of isn't the difference. Both say they care more.
     
  7. icehorse

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    The GOP has had 10+ years to cook up an alternative to the ACA and they have delivered zilch.

    The GOP continues to push for tax breaks for the rich which only exacerbates economic inequalities.

    So - in practice - the GOPs track record is far worse, correct? (Not saying that the Dems are great, simply better)
     
  8. Audie

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    The actual problem with your health care Is
    the insane cost


    Govt is notoriously inept at running things.
    Note USPS V FEDEX.

    In Hong Kong you can get top quality glasses
    In two hours, for what your hospitals charge for
    an aspirin tablet.
     
  9. icehorse

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    We're completely agreed that the healthcare system is fraught with profiteering.

    But government inefficiencies are less a problem than you're proposing. So your example about glasses has less to do with government and more to do with all of the profiteers who have embedded themselves into the system. I would recommend you read a book called "Bitter Pill". Or, if you can, find the old Time magazine article of the same title.
     
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    WalterTrull Godfella

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    Can you believe I just looked up "apostate"? Apparently, it doesn't just mean "those bad people". Is there a DIR for apostates?
     
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    WalterTrull Godfella

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    I just looked up "talking to yourself" hoo-boy!
     
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    Regardless of how you shave the blame
    game, it is vastly overpriced and raising
    taxes in an ever upward spiral chasing
    it is not a sensible solution.
     
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    I don't know, but I think I might need to have my apostate gland checked.
     
  14. icehorse

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    I never said increasing taxes was. I think we should do these things on their own steam and by redistributing revenues. For example:

    - get the profiteers out of the healthcare system to make healthcare for all more affordable
    - reduce defense spending to fund other initiatives
    - make sure that ideas like the GND partially pay for themselves via new jobs and industries.
     
  15. Audie

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    Audie wonders
    You didn't need to say it! Thats obamacare,
    or any other govt plan so far.

    Defining and identifying profiteers would keep you up at night.

    Just the thing about glasses, say...

    I dontbthink the stores selling frames get rich,
    though those 200 dollar frames cost 3 dollars to the buyer.

    You cannot run a business like in HK,
    because only a doctor can prescribe,
    though the training to use those devices
    to determine what glasses you need is minimal.

    Plus you can't get new glasses if your prescription from Dr is over two yes old.

    You need new glasses? In USA, pay 600
    dollars, in HK, 30.
     
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    It's a hard job, but we just gotta do it.
     
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