Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Wow. I think I only understood the 'Greetings kadzbiz' part.
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GOD - what's your take on Him
- Thread starter kadzbiz
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Wow. I think I only understood the 'Greetings kadzbiz' part.
tomspug
Absorbant
Well, I chose to believe in God because of what I was taught about Him, which appealed to me at the time (being raised in a Christian home). Since then, I have found affirmation for my faith by receiving constant answers to prayer. To me, prayer is the number one affirmation of faith. The prerequisite of prayer, of course, is faith. So it's not something you can PROVE before believing in God, but it is something that affirms it. That's the tricky thing about faith. There's no way to justify it BEFOREHAND. It's an investment.
I see the fact that I am still a Christian after all of the things I have prayed for and been through is a good justification of faith. I think prayer is a major factor in general.
I see the fact that I am still a Christian after all of the things I have prayed for and been through is a good justification of faith. I think prayer is a major factor in general.
Yes, I always try to tell it like it is rather than be mysterious. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. There are some who might understand.Best Wishes my Christian friend,
a..1
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
God DOES nothing. It is all "me". But I believe I am a-part of god, and that therefore, my doing is god's doing.
EDIT: Wait, I didn't really answer the question.
attempt 2:
God does nothing, and so it is not something that GOD did. I believe god exists because of what I have heard, read, written, seen. In one word; experienced.
kadzbiz
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But HOW did He console & strengthen you? What makes you believe it was anything but you who did these things?
Maggie's post was nice. I am of a similar view. But your senses and mind are a production of your own body's physical make up. Why do you attribute this to God?
Your parents gave you life. God has comforted you how exactly? The other examples you give could also be attributed to the power of "The Law of Attraction", which I do believe in.
You may be mysterious, but it doesn't help me understand you.
I wonder if you had never been made aware of God (practically impossible these days) but had the presence of mind to think positively about your wishes, needs, goals, etc, whether you would have achieved the same outcome?
tomspug
Absorbant
You'd think that, wouldn't you? If I didn't have God, my life would be a mess. If I was perfect and didn't need God, maybe yes, everything would have turned out the same. I doubt it though, especially with where my faith has led me. I don't expect you to understand, but I can assure you that I do not believe that anything I have accomplished was because of my own actions.
If you have further questions, I'd prefer you PMing me because I'm not comfortable sharing my actual experiences for everyone to see.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Because it seems 'right'.
Darkness
Psychoanalyst/Marxist
tomspug said:
It is hard to reason situations like this. For example, if you are trying hard to achieve something and pray about it, and you succeed greatly, is it because God helped you or because your prayers helped you to focus your concentration? There is a reason why scientists, when they test new drugs, use double-blind trials.
Personally, I have found that praying to God, Lucifer, Satan, or Set helps my concentration a little (at least why I was practicing with knives).
I don't believe in an all-powerful creator god, but if such a deity exists that jealously and possessively demands this kind of belief from us, he or she is surely in need of a Big Squishy Hug for suffering so much. :rainbow1:
Peace,
Mystic
tomspug
Absorbant
The thing is, though, that would make sense if your prayers always ended being answered in the way you expect them to. But most of the time, they aren't. God takes you in a totally different direction that you didn't even consider. God answers prayers, but usually not in the way you expect.
Answered prayers does not always equal 'gives you what you want'.
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Originally Posted by autonomous1one1
Greetings kadzbiz. For me to believe, God gave God by overcoming the last step in dissolution of estrangement.Greetings. My post wasn't meant to be mysterious. It is a direct answer to the OP but its impossibility for understanding without background makes it seem mysterious. Thanks for your interest, I will try to explain more.
My view is that there is estrangement from God just by nature of one's conventional self-identity as a finite human being. However, there is a breakthrough experience that overcomes the estrangement and oneness with God is realized. I have posted the description many times that 'the being realizes identity with the Source of all being.' This is a breakthrough because it involves an extraordinary way of knowing, expands awareness, and overcomes the subject-object (self-world) structure and space-time of finitude. As another RFer, Zenzero, has posted, 'seer and that seen merge.'
As you might recognize, this experience often is described as a mystical experience. One can follow paths of knowledge & contemplation, meditation & stillness of the mind, and love & good works but not be assured of the breakthrough. In my case, the final was a step that I did not expect or control and seemingly was 'given.' Before this experience, this 'dissolution of estrangement,' I was agnostic, viewed myself as finite only, and sought only understanding. Whether the last step is thought by others to be deep from within or from God is irrelevant because the two had merged to one.
Hope that helps. Thanks again for your interest.
a..1
Originally Posted by autonomous1one1
Greetings kadzbiz. For me to believe, God gave God by overcoming the last step in dissolution of estrangement.
Greetings. My post wasn't meant to be mysterious. It is a direct answer to the OP but its impossibility for understanding without background makes it seem mysterious. Thanks for your interest, I will try to explain more.My view is that there is estrangement from God just by nature of one's conventional self-identity as a finite human being. However, there is a breakthrough experience that overcomes the estrangement and oneness with God is realized. I have posted the description many times that 'the being realizes identity with the Source of all being.' This is a breakthrough because it involves an extraordinary way of knowing, expands awareness, and overcomes the subject-object (self-world) structure and space-time of finitude. As another RFer, Zenzero, has posted, 'seer and that seen merge.'
As you might recognize, this experience often is described as a mystical experience. One can follow paths of knowledge & contemplation, meditation & stillness of the mind, and love & good works but not be assured of the breakthrough. In my case, the final was a step that I did not expect or control and seemingly was 'given.' Before this experience, this 'dissolution of estrangement,' I was agnostic, viewed myself as finite only, and sought only understanding. Whether the last step is thought by others to be deep from within or from God is irrelevant because the two had merged to one.
Hope that helps. Thanks again for your interest.
a..1
maggie2
Active Member
I don't think I said that I attribute my senses to God. What I did say is that I sense God in part through my senses, through what I see and taste and smell and so on.
Again, I'll say that I see God as the energy that infuses all of life. Therefore, I see God in all people and things.
kadzbiz
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Only if you allowed it.
An exceptional answer. Well done.
How do you ascertain if a specific prayer has been answered or if destiny just played itself out then? Why attribute change to an influence of God?
Indeed, an excellent question.
I was quoting stephenw, not you maggie2.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Without God's protection I woulsd surely die. If God were to stop keeping the life giving forces within my body going. My body would cease to function. Also I was(as well as everyone else on this earth) a spirit child of God before I came to this Earth. My parents are mearly the parent of my physical body.
During times of sorrow or fear. I feel comforted in prayer or reading the scriptures. I attribute this to God.
The Law of Attraction? Isn't that when two opposites attract and two of the same polarities repel?
kadzbiz
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We will all die. Christian children as well as old athiests. I have always advocated that religion and the bible can be a good thing for people, as long as they don't negatively impact on anyone else. The OP was just to discover WHY people here at RF had their belief in God.
Your definition of the Law of Attraction is partly correct, but not what I was refering to. Law of Attraction also known as The Secret
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
The neat thing about God is that he doesn't have to do anything to give me me except BE. In the words of the immortal Stan Lee: " 'Nuff said."
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
Yes. I believe God does the same thing I said with other people as well not only myself. And not only believers. But of course God has His plans for everyone. So if I was to die or be seriously injured today then that would also be considered part of the plan as well.
I agree. I believe that most religion is for the betterment of mankind. Even if it doesn't agree with mine as long as it helps people become better.
I'll have to read those links.