I do not believe that either of us are defending these things.
Where exactly did I defend these things? Are you capable of being specific? Quoting me?
They do know that - which is why we are having this discussion.
God commanding the ancient Israelites to reclaim the land that He promised them has no bearing on the Christian ideology to love our enemies as ourselves.
None of this changes the fact that the vast majority of all recorded conflict did not have religion as its primary cause.
You were the one who claimed that I was a "selective reader" and now here you are not being able to handle your own medicine?
I think I know what you are talking about - but I want you to build your case.
What exactly are you talking about? In detail. Using references.
Again - I think I know what you are talking about - but I want you to build your case.
What exactly are you talking about? In detail. Using references.
Since the issue was lost on you when looked at through the spectrum of religion - I was trying to provide a secular analogy.
God commanding His covenant people to destroy the wicked at one time is not grounds to argue that He always wants the faithful starting wars or killing people.
Just like how State-sanctioned death - execution - is not grounds for every citizen to start murdering people.
That is literally what your argument is.
This whole thing began with you claiming that religion was the instigator of all war and human strife.
I accurately pointed out that was by far not the case.
To which you claimed in Post #47 that I was trying to "absolve religious teaching of responsibility".
And I replied in Post #48 by saying, "If someone acts contrary to a religious teaching - then the religious teaching bears no responsibility for that action."
So - yes - you are trying to blame the entire ideology for the actions of the very few.
Irrelevant - and another attempt by you to blame an entire ideology for the actions of the very few.
You are making this too easy mate.
You mean the fact that the vast majority of all recorded conflicts (93.02%) did not have religion as a primary cause?
Or the fact that you are vainly trying to blame religion for all human conflict and strife?
So - you don't deny that Muhammad condoned terror and violence? Good to know.
And your thoughts on the matter are not relevant. There are no Roman records proving that the Lord Jesus Christ even existed.
And in order for Him to be considered a terrorist He would have needed to use fear, intimidation, coercion or violence in pursuit of political gain.
At most you could call him a heretic or blasphemer - because He disagreed with and taught against the status quo.
How did you come to this ridiculous conclusion?
There is nothing wrong with groping women who are willing - or encouraging - you to grope them.
He never claimed that he did anything against anyone's will. He said that those women "let him" do those things. 100% consensual.
Are you also arguing that consensual sex is rape?
You sound like someone who went to university. Lack critical thinking. Can't think for yourself. Waiting for that state-owned media to tell you how to feel.
Your opinion is noted but i will add.
Works both ways
Yes some religious teachers, holy book literalists teach the bible ax written, not as interpreted.
So you say the OT is not relevant to Christianity? I know several christians with a different view
I can handle whatever you throw, you are confusing indifference with your caring about your posts
I am talking about the OT and you know it.
Gid commanding genocide is always worth noting, but some may sweep it under the carpet because it pops their bubble
No, my argument is against the atrosities of the bible, not politics
I never made such a claim, not once did i say "all war" unless you
can prove otherwise perhaps you are confused.
Wrong, making an unfounded claim that massages your ego us not accurately pointing anything out. And are you not trying to absolve religious teaching for responsibility for the murders and genocide caused in the name of religion?
Look pal, what i say is there have been plenty if religious wars in which one side or both fought for their faith, or religion has played part in causing the war, genocide, mass deaths, massacres. Considering you are so insistent it all too little to care about i will provide the list i have compiled
"US Western Expansion (Justified by ""Manifest Destiny"")
AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms
Al Qaeda, 1993-
Albigensian Crusade, 1208-49
Algeria, 1992-
Arab Outbreak, 7th Century CE
Arab-Israeli Wars, 1948-
Armenian Genocide:
Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity)
Aztec Human Sacrifice:
Muslim/Bab’i conflict, 1848-54
Bosnia, 1992-95
Boxer Rebellion, 1899-1901
Christian Romans, 30-313 CE
Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II)
Croatia, 1991-92
Crusades, 1095-1291
Dutch Revolt, 1566-1609
Eighty Years' War
English Civil War, 1642-46
First Sudanese Civil War
French Wars of Religion
Great Peasants' Revolt
Holocaust, 1938-45
Huguenot Wars, 1562-1598
India, 1992-2002
India: Suttee & Thugs
Indo-Pakistani Partition, 1947
Iran, Islamic Republic, 1979-
Iraq War: 500,000
Iraq, Shiites, 1991-92
Islamic Terrorism Since 2000
Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust)
Jews, 1348
Jonestown, 1978
Lebanon 1860 / 1975-92
Molucca Is., 1999-
Mongolia, 1937-39
Muslim Conquests of India
Nigeria, 1990s, 2000s-
Northern Ireland, 1974-98
Russian pogroms 1905-06 / 1917-22
Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
Second Sudanese Civil War
Shang China, ca. 1300-1050 BCE
Shimabara Revolt, Japan 1637-38
Sikh uprising, India, 1984-91
Spanish Inquisition, 1478-1834 - 5,000
St. Bartholemew Massacre, 1572
Taiping Rebellion, 1850-64
The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths)
Thirty Years War, 1618-48
Tudor England
Vietnam, 1800s
Witch Hunts, 1400-1800
Xhosa, 1857
Many are missing from your beloved Encyclopedia of Wars, perhaps because they don't consider unofficial massacre as war. In any event at the worst case the death toll can be estimated as up to 800,000,000 deaths plus
And I'll leave it here because you are going deeper into the realms of fantasy