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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Jimmy, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    What is the need to know hate? If you know that you will hate someone. If you do not know hate, then there will only be love.
    Lame excuse. But you have to create apologies for what wrongs your Allah has done.
     
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    A middle way between religion and science. Where you can believe in God without, but not away from sciencem
     
  3. TransmutingSoul

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    It is us that choose to hate.

    Regards Tony
     
  4. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    We know hate because Allah put hate in our mind. Why did Allah gave us hate? You are not answering this question and trying to deflect the question. Your Allah is the cause of all trouble in the world.
     
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    Doubt it
    Unfortunately misinformed people hate
     
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  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Christians have hated people of all other religions. Pagans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus. Who misinformed them?
     
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    Themselves
     
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    Life is about effort. The more we try, the more we can Love.

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  9. Jimmy

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    I think you have to recognize that many many religious people have their faith based in reality And not ink on a page. I think what you're speaking of are the people who have not thought for themselves after being introduced to religion of which I'm certain that one is supposed to do and of which I'm certain that the majority of people are doing but unfortunately there are those who rely too heavily on ink on pages and basically live their life by a book. I'm not on this earth to be controlled by a book I can tell you that right now. and I'm sure many people are with me. Yeah perhaps some things could've been worded a little differently but I'm not about to rewrite religious text books. I don't even know where one would begin to rewrite it all or get rid of it all or whatever. So I just use common sense regarding religion.

    "It's metaphorical"
    - Taser face

    Always remember taser face when somebodys talkin about religion and try to remember not to pry too much ha ha
     
  10. TagliatelliMonster

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    No. I have shown that faith is useless gullibility and not a pathway to truth nore agreement.

    Is there anything that you can't believe on faith? The answer is: No, there isn't.

    No. Gods are complete null factors in any science in any field.
    They have about as much impact on any phenomenon in the universe as any other non-existing thing.

    Nevertheless, there aren't thousands of "theories" of gravity.
    When you base your ideas on actual evidence and verifiability, you simply do not end up with thousands of different ideas.

    But when you base your ideas on faith (ie: no evidence), then the amount of ideas is actually potentially infinite, only limited by people's imaginations.

    And that is how we ended up with 30.000 different "versions" of christianity alone.

    Because faith is not a pathway to truth. Faith is gullibility.
     
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    Because the average muslim family has way more kids then the average christian family.
    ISLAM isn't actually growing or attracting more people because it is supposedly more credible then the rest.

    Instead, the muslim POPULATION is growing. And since newborns are indoctrinated into the religion of the parents, it ends up being the case that the absolute number of muslims is growing.

    It's the population that grows - not the religion.
    Non-muslims around the world are not converting to Islam in out-of-proportion numbers.
     
  12. firedragon

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    Good apologetics, but you should prove that with statistics comparing the number of people becoming muslims vs the growth of population by procreation and comparing the conversion percentage as a rate between Muslims as a whole and other religions or/and affiliations etc.

    Otherwise its just rhetoric of a person who just wishes to say things. Do you have it?
     
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    The thing is though... the "ink in the book", or the musings of ignorant ancient goat herders as I like to refer to it, is the only source available for intel on the religion. If you remove those books, there is nothing left to inform you about it.

    This is why people in a culture that never saw a bible and never met any christians or people who are aware of the existance of christians, don't have ANY idea about who Jawhe, Jehova, Jesus, the "holy spirit", Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, etc etc etc etc are, nore are they aware of ANY of the supposed miraculous events described in genesis, exodus and what not.

    And the reverse is also true.

    When you read the bible (new or old testament - doesn't matter), it is clear that the authors of those texts were only aware of what was happening and / or what existed in only a 500 mile radius from their position.


    These are all hints that it's been made up by people.
    There's nothing requiring any supernatural explanation. It's just made up stories.
     
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    Why Muslims are the world’s fastest-growing religious group

    The main reasons for Islam’s growth ultimately involve simple demographics. To begin with, Muslims have more children than members of the seven other major religious groups analyzed in the study. Muslim women have an average of 2.9 children, significantly above the next-highest group (Christians at 2.6) and the average of all non-Muslims (2.2). In all major regions where there is a sizable Muslim population, Muslim fertility exceeds non-Muslim fertility.
     
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    No. It is the person who said that it is your duty to make the whole world believe in Christian God and his supposed son. It is the mistake of Jesus who said nobody goes to God if not through him. He was the culprit to instigate hate. He just repeated what the society already knew and other people had already said. There is no proof of all these superstitious things - God, soul, heaven, hell, judgement and deliverance.
    That is very strange. First your God / Allah would install hate in us and then we will try to correct his mistake by trying to love. What kind of unbalanced God is he? Basically, all your stories are nothing but farce. These prophets, sons, messengers, manifestations, mahdis have only fooled people.
    I would hate to take up a religion which wants us not to pry too hard.
     
  16. Aupmanyav

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    There are enough foolish and ignorant Christians in West who consider Islam to be a better religion and then go to join IS or Al-Qaeda. What difference does it make, from the well to the ditch.
     
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    Understand what I said please. Just showing which people are making more babies is not good enough to validate your claim. Its easy to understand if you are objective. What you say may as well be true, but you should provide evidence to substantiate it. Please understand the following paragraph.

    Good apologetics, but you should prove that with statistics comparing the number of people becoming muslims vs the growth of population by procreation and comparing the conversion percentage as a rate between Muslims as a whole and other religions or/and affiliations etc.

    Otherwise its just rhetoric of a person who just wishes to say things. Do you have it?
     
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    Where did your hatred come from? Is it Allah? If that is the case you have a brain so why not try to change your nature rather than blame another entity you dont even believe in for your own hatred.

    Its strange that you are accusing someone else of deflection while you are trying your levels best to turn every single thread into "Hate Muslims" subject. Thus, it is you who is deflecting mate.
     
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    Try and understand this.

    Why are Buddhists projected to decline? Is it because they are not having children?
     
  20. TagliatelliMonster

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    Except that it is.

    If group A makes more babies then group B, then it follows logically that group A's population growth is higher then group B.



    I don't have any access to conversion numbers and don't need them either.
    The fact that muslims make more babies then any other religious group, in and of itself is enough to explain why that religious group grows faster then other religious groups.

    Note also that the article I linked, is an analysis of why islam is growing, and it speaks about birth rates being the factor. Conversion rates are not a determining factor at all.

    For example:

    Islam gains about as many converts as it loses in U.S.

    Not a single article or statistic that I encountered mentioned conversion rates as any significant factor for the growth of number of muslims. Because it isn't a significant factor. The significant factor, the reason for the growth, is simply because they make more babies and indoctrinate them into islam. That's it.
     
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