Fulfillment of Prophecy in the New Testament

[Samael_Khan]

Okay @Israel Khan, after the thread lost it's focus temporarily, where are we at now?

We are now awaiting @Rival 's breakdown of Paul. (I suspect that I will be Paul's lawyer in this thread).

After that we should investigate Daniel's prophecy in the light of the Messiah and Doomsday groups.

 

[Harel13]

We are now awaiting @Rival 's breakdown of Paul. (I suspect that I will be Paul's lawyer in this thread).

I don't think there are any lawyers in Judaism (take that, Polish mothers!)

Paul should get up from his grave and defend himself, or else leave it to the judges.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Ah. Wasn't quite sure what I was seeing.

Yep. That is what is called spiritual healing. Some also believe that they must speak in tongues of angels, so they talk gibberish and say that it is a gift of the Holy Spirit, which they believe out of emotion. It is actually pretty sad.

 

[Harel13]

Yep. That is what is called spiritual healing. Some also believe that they must speak in tongues of angels, so they talk gibberish and say that it is a gift of the Holy Spirit, which they believe out of emotion. It is actually pretty sad.

Sounds very cultish.
I have a book at home called "Confessions of a Jewish Cultbuster" - lots of info on this stuff.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I don't think there are any lawyers in Judaism (take that, Polish mothers!)

Paul should get up from his grave and defend himself, or else leave it to the judges.

Well, then we will be judging at the gate.

 

[Harel13]

Well, then we will be judging at the gate.

So...business as usual at RF?

 

[Rival]

Even when I was a Christian I disliked Paul. In Church you stand when the gospel is read but not Paul; I always liked that.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Sounds very cultish.
I have a book at home called "Confessions of a Jewish Cultbuster" - lots of info on this stuff.

It is cultish and you know how I feel about cults.

The book sounds very interesting. I will add that to my cult book collection, because I actually study cult stuff.

There is a guy I follow and whose books have helped me a lot, Steve Hassan, who was a Jew who got indoctrinated into the Moonies, and then left. Now he is a well known cult expert who helps others. His work has helped me a lot when I left my former group.

Cult Expert Steven Hassan's Freedom of Mind Resource Center

 

[Samael_Khan]

So...business as usual at RF?

Nono... here only a select few can hang out at the gate.

 

[Harel13]

I will add that to my cult book collection

It's by Rabbi Shea Hecht of Chabad, the cultbuster himself. A lot of stories, which he uses to demonstrate his points. Not living for years now anymore in the US, I have no idea how popular the cults he's talking about still are, but it's still fascinating stuff.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Even when I was a Christian I disliked Paul. In Church you stand when the gospel is read but not Paul; I always liked that.

You stood when the gospel was read?

Ironically, Paul was the guy I actually liked (still do) because his books were thought provoking.

My gripe was with the book of Judges. I really don't like Samson and the others.

 

[Rival]

You stood when the gospel was read?

Ironically, Paul was the guy I actually liked (still do) because his books were thought provoking.

My gripe was with the book of Judges. I really don't like Samson and the others.

Yes, in Anglican churches you stand at the gospel reading. I disliked Paul because of al his anti-Jewish nonsense and his anti-Torah stance. He struck me as arrogant. But then, I was always more into Jewish stuff. I decided by 10 I was 'Jewish'.

 

[Samael_Khan]

It's by Rabbi Shea Hecht of Chabad, the cultbuster himself. A lot of stories, which he uses to demonstrate his points. Not living for years now anymore in the US, I have no idea how popular the cults he's talking about still are, but it's still fascinating stuff.

What cults was he referring to?

 

[Harel13]

My gripe was with the book of Judges. I really don't like Samson and the others.

I have nothing more to say to you. Talk to the hand...


I love Judges. I love doing research into Judges. I love putting all the pieces together about their stories...Talmud and midrashim have a wealth of background info...

 

[Rival]

I have nothing more to say to you. Talk to the hand...


I love Judges. I love doing research into Judges. I love putting all the pieces together about their stories...Talmud and midrashim have a wealth of background info...

I've noticed without Talmud a lot of stuff in the Tanakh seems 'off' and Christians have a hard time making sense of it, especially in modern times. I think that's a lot of the reason many leave the faith. Without context and understanding of Hebrew it makes a lot less sense.

 

[Harel13]

What cults was he referring to?

Let's see...
Hebrew Christians
Scientology
Moonies
Hare Krishnas
SDA
Church of Bible Understanding
Divine Light Mission

That's just from chapter list. He may have mentioned others along the way.

Note: He also dedicates several chapters to intermarriage.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Yes, in Anglican churches you stand at the gospel reading. I disliked Paul because of al his anti-Jewish nonsense and his anti-Torah stance. He struck me as arrogant. But then, I was always more into Jewish stuff. I decided by 10 I was 'Jewish'.

I think that standing also happens in the Catholic church, but one sits, stands and kneels so often in a service that I cannot remember.

Mine was purely an intellectual interest in him because I liked the types and shadows, being a creative person myself. My favourite books are Ezekiel and the Revelation, because of there creativity.

I didn't get that impression of Paul, but maybe that is because we were influenced by different groups.

 

[Harel13]

Yes, in Anglican churches you stand at the gospel reading.

Ah, British people...

 

[Samael_Khan]

I have nothing more to say to you. Talk to the hand...


I love Judges. I love doing research into Judges. I love putting all the pieces together about their stories...Talmud and midrashim have a wealth of background info...

The book of Judges is interesting but I develop a real dislike for certain characters and the goriness. It is the book I bring up with Christians when they say I shouldn't be watching violent movies or playing violent video games.

I would be interested in how Jewish writings could clear that stuff up.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I've noticed without Talmud a lot of stuff in the Tanakh seems 'off' and Christians have a hard time making sense of it, especially in modern times. I think that's a lot of the reason many leave the faith. Without context and understanding of Hebrew it makes a lot less sense.

Even the violent stuff?

I am actually very interested why the Conquepine had to be cut into pieces and then sent off to the tribe.