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Free Will
- Thread starter Electra
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LionLooking
Member
Yes. If, for example, I wanted to smoke cannabis, I would be prosecuted and could end up in gaol.
We're all prisoners to the law.
Electra
Active Member
although I did not give permission for moral laws to be enforced upon my self (layers of cause)
Electra
Active Member
Actually you have given permission.
Social contract - Wikipedia
The only way out of that is to reject your citizenship and move out of the country, or to escape the mortal coil.
In Brookhaven Collider, Briefly Breaking a Law of Nature
I suspect the only thing lacking is the know how.
Free will is the ability to decide or choose a path, the repercussions of the decision are always different.
Sirona
Hindu Wannabe
I agree. If you join a group you've got to play by their rules.
I think is is about mixing up the meanings of "free will" and "independence."
Skwim
Veteran Member
The law makers and those that enforce them don't need your permission.
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We all have given permission just by being alive.
Social contract - Wikipedia
Of course there are ones who refuse to respect the social contract. Which are the bigots, criminals, and tyrants of the world.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
Do deterministic factors indicate we have total free will? I posit they do not. This is Schopenhauer's old observation that: "a man can do as he wants, but cannot want what he wants". To put it in the modern: "a man can do as he wills, but cannot will what he wills".
This debate is as old as the Greek philosophers, and probably older. Have any evidence there's a ghost in the machine called free will?
That is not to say there is no agency, but then we are discussing choice, and not will.
This debate is as old as the Greek philosophers, and probably older. Have any evidence there's a ghost in the machine called free will?
That is not to say there is no agency, but then we are discussing choice, and not will.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
This is exactly how us determinists feel in regard to cosmic laws in physics. If laws have set everything in motion and guided everything occurring then how can free will exist. It is a meaningless pursuit
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
When the heart wants what it wants, it has chosen its will. It could have chosen otherwise, but none desires it. A free will is one that is living it's conscience, not slave to immorality. Free will is found in true love. By virtue nothing is impossible to overcome in the soul.
At heart you are only going to be as you desire or want. But a true heart is truly free and at command of will, and a malicious heart is slave to its desire.
Freedom for some is take it or leave it, not being tied to any decisions.
Freedom for me is having peace in every decision of will. In that way there is free will.
At heart you are only going to be as you desire or want. But a true heart is truly free and at command of will, and a malicious heart is slave to its desire.
Freedom for some is take it or leave it, not being tied to any decisions.
Freedom for me is having peace in every decision of will. In that way there is free will.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
Now we're getting into Stoic and Epicurean view of escaping animal determinism, but even they had to concede knowledge and virtue isn't an escape from nature. Ultimately for the Stoics, to live in harmony with everything was a determinism above the animal. Epicurus also didn't think one escapes determinism, only can slightly bend it.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I myself am at peace with my intentions, yet I struggle with nature, but not in my intentions. Virtue brings me peace.
They may have different individual struggles than I do. Expecting harmony with nature perhaps?
Knowledge bears responsibility, and you can only do what's within you to do, and reach for greater I suppose.
You , like a lot of others on here, are very educated in philosophy and religion. I tread lightly on those subjects because there can be pitfalls in them. But I maintain interest there.
siti
Well-Known Member
No, but you are a prisoner of free will...
Electra
Active Member
I gave permission for being birthed?
Electra
Active Member
The time is now
Electra
Active Member
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