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Final Authority

sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
James2028 said:
The Accommodation Theory:
Jesus actually did say that Moses
wrote the first five books, but Jesus
repeated false statements in order
not to confuse his listeners.

Speaking rude in speech,
but not in knowledge,
that's stupid.

He spoke words of certainty
the scripture said.
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We don’t know what Jesus “actually said.”
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Audie said:
As elsewhere noted, believing things is what believrrs do.

The white queen was able to believe as many as
six impossible things before breakfast.

Some of us, though, like to have a
reason for belief.
And
Some of us are ready to change what we believe,
given good and sufficient reason.

Believers are stuck. Once believed, always believed.
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Did I ever say I don't have reasons to believe?
 
James2028

James2028

Member
There are thousands of dissertations
demonstrating the apologetics
of scripture and the divinity
of Jesus Christ.

The Purified Text Theory
is supported by the manuscript
evidence, bible canonization,
bible doctrine, billions of bibles
and computational linguistics.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Did I ever say I don't have reasons to believe?
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That would be an odd thing for you to say, and
i'd challenge it on the basis of the law of cause and
effect. Everything has a reason for happening.

One autumn day as an undergrad I was
walking across campus with this other girl.
An colorful leaf fell at our feet.

She picked it up and exclaimed. "Look,
God sent this to us as a symbol of the Terinity!"

I took it, saw it had five parts; three large, two small.

"So why does it have five parts?"

"Oh you are right. It is a symbol of the pentarch."

There are reasons for everything.

No sane person would think the reason that leaf
fell as it did was to represent the Trinity.

You, like everybody who believes in every
different version of every different religion
there ever existed did so for a reason.

Good and sufficient reason is not the same as
just "reason".

But never mind. you did not understand a word of
the post to which you responded with that ridiculous
question, and you wont understand this either.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
James2028 said:
There are thousands of dissertations
demonstrating the apologetics
of scripture and the divinity
of Jesus Christ.

The Purified Text Theory
is supported by the manuscript
evidence, bible canonization,
bible doctrine, billions of bibles
and computational linguistics.
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Um, ok, but so what?
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
James2028 said:
There are thousands of dissertations
demonstrating the apologetics
of scripture and the divinity
of Jesus Christ.

The Purified Text Theory
is supported by the manuscript
evidence, bible canonization,
bible doctrine, billions of bibles
and computational linguistics.
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You're biased. Apologetics is unnecessary in biblical criticism. It just is what it is. The PTT is a method of imposing beliefs onto the texts, not a hermeneutic of exegesis and criticism.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
James2028 said:
Jesus was baptized by a Baptist.
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If you seriously believe John was a Baptist, as in SBC, you're sadly, sadly engaging in wishful thinking. And if you believe that the Baptists have been around since the beginning, you're sadly mistaken. It began in 1845 in Georgia. It's history goes back only to the 1600s, with John Smyth and the Separatists. It came from the Armenian branch of Xy.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
James2028 said:
That's because they believe
the scriptures are infallible,
final authority.
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They're sadly mistaken. The church has never believed in the final authority of the texts. The texts are a product of the church. Yes, we hold them in high esteem. Yes, we believe them to be inspired writings. Yes, we believe they teach us truths. But they are not "God's words." They did not fall out of the sky in King James English. The final authority rests upon a reasonable interpretation of them that is not at odds with the Apostles' teaching.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
James2028 said:
Roman Catholicism is not the church.
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Well, it most certainly is! And so is the EO. And so is the Anglican Church. And so are the Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Disciples, Nazarenes, Church of Christ, Congregationalists, Mormons and Baptists. Some of these (RCC, Mormons, and Baptists, among others) need to come to an understanding that they're not the only kids in the sandbox, and they don't get to usurp the sandbox for their own. The important thing to remember is the Apostles' teaching. Some churches (like the SBC) skate very, very close to the edge of that.
 
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