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Experiencing God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sonofason, Oct 20, 2014.

  1. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    How exactly are you supposed to have objective evidence of an NDE? You would need something like from the movie, Brainstorm, which can record thoughts or something that can jack you into the other person's mind.
     
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  2. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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    Therein lies the problem. ;)
     
  3. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    To you. But we have totally opposite worldviews, from what I glean from your posts.
     
  4. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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    It would be nice to think that NDEs are more than hallucinations, but findings from neuroscience don't support that. If people are looking to NDEs as "proof" of an afterlife then IMO they are scraping the barrel.
     
  5. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Calling it a "hallucination" doesn't matter to me, since it's all the same to me. Dreams, hallucinations, "lucid" states, etc. - all the same. "Reality" is really not objective. All you ever really have is your own subjective experiences. There is no empirical way to determine whether something is "real" or not.
     
  6. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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    Imagine yourself dropping a brick on your foot. Then actually drop a brick on your foot. See the difference?
     
  7. Saint Frankenstein

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    If my imagining of it is intense enough, you can "feel" it in a psychic way. It's the same as how our body reacts to a good horror flick or nightmare as if it was physically happening to us or with strong sexual fantasies.
     
  8. Rick O'Shez

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    But I hope you can tell the difference..... ;)
     
  9. Saint Frankenstein

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    A common reality (such as a group of people in a lucid waking state agreeing that it's raining) is not the same as an objective reality.
     
  10. BenTheBeliever

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    No there is not. Believe it or not, not every human being lies
     
  11. Rick O'Shez

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    The same is true of a common belief like "God". ;)
     
  12. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    That's irrelevant to anything I said.
     
  13. Rick O'Shez

    Rick O'Shez Irishman bouncing off walls

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    Oh no it isn't. :p
     
  14. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Yes, it is. I don't believe in "God".
     
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    Because there is a difference between one's interpretation of an event and the actual reality of said event. We see this in court trials where multiple eyewitnesses to an event may have wildly differing interpretations. For NDEs, which we can replicate in the lab, you're depending on the brain, which is in distress, to accurately interpret an event. They we rely on memory, which is a faulty mechanism anyhow, getting worse and more interpolated as time goes on, as the sole measure of this experience. The question is, how did the person who claims to have an experience with a god actually know that they did? Given the inherent flaws in experience and interpretation, how can anyone trust that supposed experience to be factually accurate?
     
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    Yes, actually, they do. And even if they are not purposely lying, they can still be wrong.
     
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    No they dont. There are a lot if honest loving peo9le out there who dont lie. My mom is one and rasied me not to lie. Just cause you cant explain things does not mean people lie about what happen. You just dont understand things.
     
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    Actually I consider you 'wrong', until you present evidence otherwise, //we agree.
     
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    You can consider me anything you want, the whole forum considers you wrong. I'm with them.
     
  20. Kenaz

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    May I just say...

    Let us not tell others what to believe.
    Let us also not tell others their experience is false.

    Our experiences are our own.
    Do not expect others to believe you. They do not need to.
    Do not tell others what to believe. They do not need to.

    Do not believe yourself. Question. Now, and tomorrow.
    Experience is yours alone. Truth is for each of us to discover.

    Friendship and positive exchange is a choice. To waste it over pettiness is a shame.
     
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