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Experiencing God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sonofason, Oct 20, 2014.

  1. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe I can understand that. People have unreasonable expectations because they lackknowledge. A person hearing a voice in the woods might think the voice is coming from a tree but that is an unreasonable expectation since trees don't talk. Scientists will say the voice comes from the mind ignoring the difference in personalities because scientists expect the mind to work but not spiritual things because they are biased that way.

    I believe that is not the case.

    I believe I have crafted nothing. I have simply reported my experience. Why would I be skeptical of my own experience? However for the sake of argument I have reviewed my experience in light of my later experiences with God and find it consistent.

    I believe you are assuming that it makes me feel good. I can't say I have feelings about it. It would be like saying that I should have good feelings about walking over a bridge. Why would I?

    I believe this is the least reliable experience of those that I have had but it was my first at a time when I was innocent enough to believe things could happen. However all the experiences taken together form a body of proof.

    I believe you are not sound enough in your reasoning to judge mine.
     
  2. msiamcanadian

    msiamcanadian New Member

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    I think everyone experiences the Holy Spirit in one way or another, it's whether or not they recognise it as such that makes the difference. I've experienced something too deep to put into words that do it justice. I've faught with my inner thoughts to try to debate what it all meant, but it was too intense to pass off as a dream, or my imagination.
    What led me to my experience was through deeper prayer in my everyday life. I gave up tv, games and Facebook for a while and used that newly found free time for prayer. I think it was a gift from God, and although I can never hope to experience it again, because I know I'm unworthy of it, it's something I will carry in my heart forever. I may not ever feel that again, but when I think about it, it carries me through whatever struggle I am going through and helps bring me peace by silencing my doubts.
    I believe we receive answers on a daily from the divine, but most don't recognise the messages. Your inner voice is more than just your intuition- I believe it's the divine telling you something.
     
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    That's nice for you. However, I would like to know how you determine whether what you experience is actually what you interpret it as. As you present it, your account is unconvincing.
     
  4. Muffled

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    I believe one must address whether intensity is a measure of reality. Some dreams are very intense and seem real. I do accredit the notion of prayer as an indication that one receives from God because one is seeking from God. Try putting it into words so that we all can share the experience with you.
     
  5. Muffled

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    My second expereince of God was at about age 15. I was despondent because Ifelt there was not a girl for me. In a dream I was wandering about Heaven when I encountered a convent and a girl walking in its garden. I invited her to walk with me and fell in love with her. This however cause me to be brought before an old man in a Greek type temple sitting in a chair on a throne. He brought the judgement that I had broken the rules by going near the convent which no man was allowed to go near. A younger man stood up for me and offered the excuse that I loved the girl. Somehow it was conveyed to me (not by a voice) that the girl would be my wife. I waited until I was 27 years old, found the girl in my dream and married her. We have been married for 46 yeras on the 11th.

    Dreams are difficult to discern because they can come from the spirit which loves to fantasize or the mind which is a more conscious fantasy that could be called conjecture or from God as has been reported many times in the Bible. This dream has earmarks of coming from God because it had elements of theology of which I was not yet aware and becasue it caused me to lose my despondency and gave me a hope. I also think there was an element of prophecy in it as well. However I had the distinct impression that the dream was reflecting an actual event in Heaven.
     
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    I'll try to put it into words as best I can- but words fail me and I fear I won't be able to express it properly.

    In the middle of the night I woke up abruptly to a very intense feeling. My body felt electrified- every inch of my body was alive- from toes to hair. I had experienced this a few times during prayer, and once when I was conversing with someone online about God. Someone had written something to me so beautiful about a comment I had made about God's love and it had ignited every inch of my soul. I knew it was the Holy Spirit speaking to me through someone. Anyway- back to my experience: I don't mean to sound crass- but the only way to describe it- was it felt orgasmic- only it wasn't sexual- and it was spread throughout every inch of my body. My arm was elevated over my head. It felt Divine. I was afraid the feeling would dissipate- but it only intensified and as it did, I felt myself floating from my bed and started to fly through the sky. As I flew, the world around me changed. I felt supercharged with love and the only thing I could see around me were fast moving clouds of vibrant colors. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. While this was happening, the feeling was intensifying and I realized I was approaching HIM. The closer I got, the more the feeling intensified. Everything around me started to slow down and darken and I felt like I was nearing my end destination, I felt as though I was about to be granted a Divine audience with HIM. The thought occurred to me then, that I may have died and was headed to my eternal home. I was so happy- so happy that my turbulations in this world were over. I wanted nothing more than to stay there. I started to make out a figure in the distance, standing in front of a wall, but it was more like looking at a photograph, I strained my eyes trying to get a more clear view, but I started floating back and the figure in front of me started to dissipate. I begged and pleaded for him not to send me back. Begged him to keep me there with him because I so desperately needed him to comfort me.. but I continued to float back. Before I knew it, I was floating back onto my bed. I was awake and realized fully at that point that although I had half considered it was a dream, that I wasn't sleeping. My hand was extended above me, as though I had been pulled from my bed. As my arm slowly lowered to my mattress, the feeling dissipated throughout my body and I was left laying there, fully awake and aware of my surroundings. I was wrapped in a blanket of peace and love-never before have I felt so safe. My room was so serene. I bolted from my room with my phone to call my parents but couldn't reach them so I went back to bed, grabbed my rosary and began to pray because I wanted to thank God for the gift he had given me.
    About half way through my rosary, I began hearing a noise in one of my front spare bedrooms. It sounded like someone was tapping on the carpeted floor, or something small was falling and hitting the ground. I tried to remember what was in that room that may have fallen over, what could be falling over repeatedly- but could make no sense of it. It wasn't rythmic- there was no pattern. I'd never heard that sound before. I stopped praying to listen, I thought maybe my son had gotten out of bed but I quickly realized that everyone was fast asleep. That's when the fear began to creep in. A feeling of dread began to spread across my body, it felt paralyzing. I had a feeling something was in my front room and it was not friendly. It was distracting me, making it impossible for me to concentrate on my rosary. It was menacing. So I took a deep breath and asked Jesus and his Holy Mother to tell me what they wanted me to do. I told them that if it was their intension that I get up and go investigate the sound, that I would- but I told them how weak I was and that I didn't think I could handle what was waiting for me at the other end of the house. That I was too scared, so I asked them for a sign. I asked that if they wanted me to get up- to allow the sound to continue and I would get up, but if this sound was not of Divine origin, to please stop it so that I could continue my rosary in peace. I heard one more sound after asking my question and it stopped abruptly after that. The noise went away and the creeping sensation of fear left me. My house was again quiet.

    I wrestle with this memory every time it creeps up into my head. My rational mind wants me to believe it was just a dream, but my heart knows it wasn't. I've had intense dreams before, but not like this. I've looked everywhere online for similar experiences and the only thing I can come up with is an out of body experience. What I experienced was out of worldly. I know in my heart it was real. I don't know why I, of all people, was given this gift- but I was. I haven't shared my story with many people, and some have told me it sounds more supernatural than Divine. Some have told me to be careful- that it sounds more like a demonic attack than anything- but if that's truly what it was- Satan's plan back fired. The experience fuelled my love for God in a way I can't even express. If what I felt was one tenth of what God has in store for us in Heaven- then all of the pain and suffering in this world is so worth it. I know I can never hope to feel that way again- I am unworthy of having experienced it at all. But I do feel it happened for a reason. Every time I think about it it lights a fire in my soul, it makes me strive to be a better human. It makes me want to accept him more fully in my heart.
     
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  7. msiamcanadian

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    See below- just posted
     
  8. Muffled

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    I am reading "Patience of a Saint" by Andrew Greeley and one of the main characters has had a charismatic experience. The hero of Greeley's books "Blackie" Ryan as an RC priest describe what he knows about the experience and it seems near what you have experienced. Greeley also says in the story that there are books on the subject and that would not suprise me since there can be a wide range of experiences.
     
  9. Muffled

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    I believe interpreting is helpful. When I sought the Baptism of the Spirit in tongues I had no expereince to relate to it other that the fact that some had reported receiving it. I did receive it but what happened next was totally unexpected because at the time I hadn't heard of it. I fainted because the power in me was too great for my mind to handle it. I have since learned this is called being slain in the Spirit and can often accompany a charismatic experience.

    I believe what you really mean by interpretation is that you would like to explain away the experience as indigestion as Scrooge in Dicken's Christmas Carol interpreted.
     
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    Experiencing G-d;
    the reply to it would depend on the understanding of the person about experiencing G-d who asks the question.
    Regards
     
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    A dream, you realize. You didn't actually fly around in the sky. On some level you must know this.
     
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    To the original post: there are many spiritual or religious people that share their experiences. It is an entire subgenre of book publication for crying out loud.

    The strawman is strong with this one.
     
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    LoL- yes. I am not entirely crazy enough to believe that I physically flew through the sky. My point, however, is that my experience felt too real and intense to be a mere dream. I do believe it was a spiritual experience. One I can't explain. I've had intense dreams before, but they are always shaded, or fuzzy around the edges (if that makes any sense). I only ever remember snippits of my dreams, there's no smooth flow from scene to scene. This one was so vivid- and intense, and seamless.. I physically felt like I had gone somewhere.
    In the end, if it was only a dream- it was spectacular.. and I believe I dreamt it for a reason. I feel like it was a message for me from God. Something to help bring me closer to Him.
     
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    The OP is not present.
    Who other friend asks the question? Please
    Regards
     
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    Yes, many people have experienced visual hallucinations while under the influence of drugs. My relationship with God was established many years ago, when I was only 16 years of age. That is when I first experienced God, and I was not under the influence of any drug. Throughout my life, there have been periods of time when I was not attentive to God, and I did not experience God during those periods of time. To my knowledge, I do not recall ever having any visual perception of God, whether or not I was under the influence of some particular drug. But my experiences of God have been physical experiences as well as emotional. I would feel the presence of God just as sure as I feel the wind or the rain. God, the creator of all things, is fully capable of being perceived by any creature capable of sensation. If I were to describe my experience of feeling rain to someone who has also experienced rain, we would surely come to an agreement that what we experienced was thing that we call rain. And likewise, if I were to describe my experience of God to someone else who has experienced God, we would be in agreement that we have experienced that thing which we have come to know as God. We know it is God, because that is the name we have given to the entity, or cause of the physical experience that we have had.

    Furthermore, I would not, as you have, ever try to insist, or even suggest that visual hallucinations are only fabrications of the mind. It very well may be that there is something very real behind the hallucinations that some people have as a result of having taken drugs. It is quite possible that drugs as you call them can open and/or close doors of spiritual realms.
     
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    Cephus Relentlessly Rational

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    No, either it happens or it doesn't. The person experiencing it has nothing to do with it. If there is no God to experience then no one, no matter how much they want to experience God or how convinced they are that they've experienced God, they are completely and totally wrong.
     
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    Proof of that? My mom had a out of body experience before she became a Christian. I know others who have had other kind of experiences. I personally have not had a out of body experience but i have had other type of moments when i experience God. One happen when my dad had died back in 01 when i was a senior in HS. I went down to texas with my sister and ex BIL and i remem er standing by myself. On the right of me was my sister and on the left was my dad biker friends. I was all by myself. It was supposed to start raining. I remember i told God i was not going to cry. The moment those tears hit so did the rain. Then i felt a strong guest of wind holding me. I felt God telling me it was going to be ok. The supernatrual is very real the minute you experience it you are never the same.
     
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    Seek and you shall find. Knock and it will be answered. For those who truly seek after God like he did they find God. There was times i would break dvd or vhs that had a whole of my life spirtiual. Same with music. i knew in my heart i needed to seek after God. Those things had become ideals during thst time in my walk with God.
     
  19. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    This reminded me of a quote:

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
     
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    No, your mother says she had an out of body experience. She has no objective evidence that she actually did. There is a difference.
     
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