Evidence of NOAH's FLOOD

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know why rationally - people believe in a global flood on basis of scripture. The words in the Bible can be reference to the land Nuh (a) was sent to. Seems to be a translation issue and misunderstanding. For example, in Arabic, al-arth can be referring "the land" or sometimes "the earth" as in "all the land". It depends on context. Do people really believe Noah (a) went all around the earth to every part of the land and warned everyone all over the earth?

I would imagine he didn't have much time to travel after warning his people so that is why he built a ship. And to save the local species. That's another thing, if it was global flood, there is no way all species of plants and animals are going to fit.

The problem is that a local flood would not have killed everyone except for Noah and family. It sort of makes the Flood pointless. I can understand an all or nothing attitude by believers, but the problem with that is that one ends up with "nothing".

 

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The problem is that a local flood would not have killed everyone except for Noah and family. It sort of makes the Flood pointless. I can understand an all or nothing attitude by believers, but the problem with that is that one ends up with "nothing".

It might have been in a local place in Africa before the humans migrated all over. At one point, we were all in a single location in Africa at least that it was scientist believe today.

 

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The problem is that a local flood would not have killed everyone except for Noah and family.

Also, Quran differs on this. Noah (a) had followers aside from his family.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It might have been in a local place in Africa before the humans migrated all over.

Humans have probably for the length of their existence been well spread out. Definitely not in one small valley. Our ancestors, Homo erectus, Occupied much of Asia and Africa. I am not sure of Europe. but probably there as well

 

[Subduction Zone]

Also, Quran differs on this. Noah (a) had followers aside from his family.

What was the Muslim purpose of the flood?

But again, even if he had other members besides his family that would have left a very observable population bottleneck in our genetics. Such an extreme bottleneck does not exist, so no flood, even if he invited the whole neighborhood.

 

[F1fan]

But what the Smithsonian has to say is more scientific? Evidence for a Flood

That is not the flood you want it to be. BTW, floods happen all over the world, all through the ages. They aren't rare. That they damaged settlements over time is why there are so many flood stories, and God being behind them. You know, people are bad and God is good, so God kills the people he created.

 

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Humans have probably for the length of their existence been well spread out. Definitely not in one small valley. Our ancestors, Homo erectus, Occupied much of Asia and Africa. I am not sure of Europe. but probably there as well

Eh, they taught me otherwise in my university. That the genetic evidence suggests we were all in a tight place in Africa at one point then we spread out later.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Eh, they taught me otherwise in my university. That the genetic evidence suggests we were all in a tight place in Africa at one point then we spread out later.

You may have learned incorrectly or your university may have been wrong. And once again, a lack of an extreme population bottleneck refutes that belief.

 

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What was the Muslim purpose of the flood?

It was the first time, but Quran goes through many examples after. Flood is just one way God destroys unjust people who reject his Messengers and oppress believers. Usually both terms have to be met, believers must be in trouble of prosecution and a Messenger from God rejected.

There were earthquakes, storms, comets, all sorts of different ways.

The last event of such a nature was towards the Pharaoh who rejected Moses and kept children of Israel as slaves.

 

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You may have learned incorrectly or your university may have been wrong. And once again, a lack of an extreme population bottleneck refutes that belief.

I don't know enough to comment. I'm just hearing what professor said what scientist believe. I don't know enough to support or argue against.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was the first time, but Quran goes through many examples after. Flood is just one way God destroys unjust people who reject his Messengers and oppress believers. Usually both terms have to be met, believers must be in trouble of prosecution and a Messenger from God rejected.

There were earthquakes, storms, comets, all sorts of different ways.

The last event of such a nature was towards the Pharaoh who rejected Moses and kept children of Israel as slaves.

Except Moses is mythical as well. It is best not to abuse religious books by treating them as history.

 

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Except Moses is mythical as well. It is best not to abuse religious books by treating them as history.

You were asking what is the purpose of Noah's (a) flood.

 

[ChristineM]

That's another thing, if it was global flood, there is no way all species of plants and animals are going to fit.

Seven blue whales would be a problem for sure

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know enough to comment. I'm just hearing what professor said what scientist believe. I don't know enough to support or argue against.

You might want to look into the concept a bit. There is an example of a species of mammals getting down to almost the numbers of Noah and his family. The African cheetah has such a population bottleneck. They are so closely related that the degree genetic of relatedness between any two cheetahs will be greater than the degree of relatedness that you have to your sister. It also results in transplants being very easy to do with cheetahs.

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You were asking what is the purpose of Noah's (a) flood.

Okay, fair enough. But you did bring up another mythical being. What is interesting to find out that the tales of genocide ordered by God in the Old Testament do not appear to have happened. In other words if there is a God he is not as evil as the Bible portrays him to be.

 

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What was the Muslim purpose of the flood?

But again, even if he had other members besides his family that would have left a very observable population bottleneck in our genetics. Such an extreme bottleneck does not exist, so no flood, even if he invited the whole neighborhood.

If people rejected Mohammad (s) and Yathrib by the Messianic Jews living there did not invite Mohammad (s), the whole world would not be destroyed. Rather Mecca would be destroyed. Maybe another city, I don't know.

But what I'm saying per Quran, these are not global events. Lot (a) city was destroyed, but this doesn't mean the whole world.

So Nuh (a) was sent to his people. Was that the whole religion and all peoples in the world? I find no evidence for that.

 

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Seven blue whales would be a problem for sure

Hah! Only two would be needed since they are not kosher. They would be among the "unclean" animals where only two were required. No problemo!

 

[ChristineM]

Hah! Only two would be needed since they are not kosher. They would be among the "unclean" animals where only two were required. No problemo!

My mistake, still, 2 blue whales are going to need a lot of krill

 

[Subduction Zone]

My mistake, still, 2 blue whales are going to need a lot of krill

I was thinking maybe pancakes instead. Though the maple syrup may be problematic.

 

[ChieftheCef]

What isnt?
The post you answered?
Genesis?
Your post?
All three?

Sorry, I thought you'd be smart enough to get that I was talking about the general conglomerant of texts, beliefs and actions by the followers of God was not true, but symbolism makes it useful to people.