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Evidence from Science that God exists

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Follow the logic:
1) Science says that the universe shouldn’t exist in its present form.
2) The Bible says that God created the universe in its present form.
3) The universe does exist in its present form.
4) Therefore God exists.

‘…something isn’t quite adding up.”
http://news.discovery.com/space/cosm...rse-140624.htm

Since the Higgs Boson was discovered not that long ago, and since the hypothetical dark-energy/dark-matter hasn't been discovered (or maybe doesn't even exist), it's way too early to jump to conclusions one way or another.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Follow the logic:
1) Science says that the universe shouldn’t exist in its present form.
(...)


No, that is not only wrong, but it had to be wrong from the get-go.

Science has to work from what is. It may conceivably say that it does not know how the universe exists in the present form, but it is not entitled to say that it should not.

If current understanding fails to explain how that is possible, all that means is that the current understanding is flawed and/or incomplete and must be complemented or corrected. Which is always the case to some degree, and should not excite anyone too much.



That article admits ignorance of the specifics of how it happened, that is all.

You can fill that gap with Divine Will if you see a point to that, but that is hardly an explanation for anything, much less evidence for the existence of God.

All that you can evidence that way is the already well-documented fact that there are people who want to present God as an all-purpose explanation.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Follow the logic:
1) Science says that the universe shouldn’t exist in its present form.
2) The Bible says that God created the universe in its present form.
3) The universe does exist in its present form.
4) Therefore God exists.

‘…something isn’t quite adding up.”
http://news.discovery.com/space/cosm...rse-140624.htm

Apart from the nonsense of science saying that the universe could not exist in its present form, the rest is an obvious circular non sequitur.

I could say that the Universe has been been created in its present form by blue fairies.

1) science teaches that the universe should not exist in its present form
2) viole said that the universe has been created in its present form by blue fairies
3) the universe has indeed its present form
4) therefore blue fairies exist

Ciao

- viole
 
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Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
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If current understanding fails to explain how that is possible, all that means is that the current understanding is flawed and/or incomplete and must be complemented or corrected. Which is always the case to some degree, and should not excite anyone too much.

Science of the gaps.
 
READ THIS.......Romans 1:20
*For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen,being understood from what has been made,so that people are without excuse.

God is telling us that we should be able to come to the conclusion that We, and everything around us, in the universe, was made by the Almighty God,our creator.Thats how obvious it is, He is saying.

There is no way that everything in our universe just happened on its own.The odds against this happening by some random chance is astronomical.The way things works proves a higher intelligence,order and creation.A system of laws that govern our universe to make it work the way it does.This is not something that just happens just because.

Lets look at the earth.It has photosethesis.A cycle of moisture producing.It works this way and never changes.The plants are designed to breath the carbon dioxide.We breath the oxygen plants produce.A cycle that was designed ,and not just randomly happened.The earth produces plentiful amounts of food for us to eat.We have seasons that only occur because of the 23.5 degree tilt the earth has,which is perfect.Without this we could not grow anything.We would have unbalanced seasons.This was designed this way.We are perfectly 93 million miles from the sun.Any further in any direction would result in either over freezing conditions, or violently hot conditions, that would ,also, result in death.

We have a protective forcefield invisible dome that burns up large rocks into small debris. This prevents harm to people and the earth.The earths inner core is a molten hot ball and spins which produces magnetic waves that repel dangerous radiation away from the earth.That way we only receive the sunlight we need without over exposure.All of this is by design.These are set laws that could not just happen by mere chance so a whole universe could work perfectly,in harmony,with each other.There is no way...

So,If we gather all this info, and think really hard,we will come to the only conclusion that is logically correct.That this universe was created and designed specifically for us.Laws are set ways for order to occur.God shows us clearly how these laws work ,but, does not explain them in detail.Like gravity for instance.We know its there, but we cannot see it.It is a set law that is in place.What goes up must come down.This law grounds us here on earth and without it we would float of into the sky and get lost in space.Now gravity ,along with other laws,make the universe work in harmony with each other.This is by design.Like I said before,the chances of all of these things happening by some random chance are astronomical.Think about it really hard.
 

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
Apart from the nonsense of science saying that the universe could not exist in its present form, the rest is an obvious circular non sequitur.

I could say that the Universe has been been created in its present form by blue fairies.

1) science teaches that the universe should not exist in its present form
2) viole said that the universe has been created in its present form by blue fairies
3) the universe has indeed its present form
4) therefore blue fairies exist

Ciao

- viole

You just destroyed atheism of blue fairies, like I did of God in the OP. See how easy it is to destroy the faith based atheism?
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think it's a big mistake to try and attribute everything to God or Gods, especially since there's no cause-and-effect evidence to support either.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
It won't work trying to simplify things in this way.. Atheists and agnostics will understand that scientists are simply claiming ignorance in their search for the provable truth. Let them conduct their experiments; to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.
 
There is some science in the very first sentence of the book of Genesis.

If we read the very first sentence in the holy scriptures its Genesis 1:1. 
It says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 
Ok...Lets dig DEEP beneath the verse. In the beginning =TIME
 the heavens=SPACE Earth=MATTER So,we end up with 
TIME,SPACE & MATTER. 
Scientist have barely come to agree that this is how they believe the
 universe was created.In this order. This was just found out in the latter part of the 20th century.God let mankind know this over 3,500 years ago. TIME,SPACE & MATTER is the formula God used to create the universe.This is just in the first sentence of the holy scriptures.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
You just destroyed atheism of blue fairies, like I did of God in the OP.

This is good. i always liked the idea that blue fairies created the universe.

But if I destroyed abluefairism, then blue fairies creationism deserves as much respect as biblical creationism, doesn't it? Of course, the same will be valid with pinocchio creationism, mickey mouse creationism, flying spaghetti monster creationism etc.

Don't you think so?

Ciao

- viole
 
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Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
There is some science in the very first sentence of the book of Genesis.

If we read the very first sentence in the holy scriptures its Genesis 1:1. 
It says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." 
Ok...Lets dig DEEP beneath the verse. In the beginning =TIME
 the heavens=SPACE Earth=MATTER So,we end up with 
TIME,SPACE & MATTER. 
Scientist have barely come to agree that this is how they believe the
 universe was created.In this order. This was just found out in the latter part of the 20th century.God let mankind know this over 3,500 years ago. TIME,SPACE & MATTER is the formula God used to create the universe.This is just in the first sentence of the holy scriptures.

1) What is a singularity? 2) What is spacetime?
 

Man of Faith

Well-Known Member
This is good. i always liked the idea that blue fairies created the universe.

But if I destroyed abluefairism, then blue fairies creationism is as respectful as biblical creationism, isn't it? Of course, the same will be valid with pinocchio creationism, mickey mouse creationism, flying spaghetti monster creationism etc.

Don't you think so?

Ciao

- viole

Here is one thing that I do think. It is pretty easy to show how atheism is merely a faith based belief system, based on presuppositions of naturalistic thought and acceptance. However all creators aren't the same once you study them. :)
 
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