TlcMel said,
http://bible-truths.com/lazarus.html. Lazarus represents the gentiles and the rich man represents the Judah and his 5 brothers just to give you a heads up.
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http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/strongdelusion.php
You should really take a couple of days off this forum and do a little study on these links I have offered. If you are seriously in search for the truth and you are confident in what you believe than you should have nothing to worry about concerning these links. You will ask yourself how you could have never seen these things before. God has sent a strong delusion and none will escape it with the exeption of His elect only by His spirit and grace. You need to find out what this strong delusion really is.
God Bless, Dave
There is no doubt this time is in anguish but the question is, "Is hell a place of anguish FOREVER AND EVER?". Is hell itself the same as the lake of fire? Is all mention of judgment in the new testament the same as the great white (not black) throne judgment, and if not what is the different?
Then Dan, if it's only a concept of being separated from God, then how do you explain the following?
1. Jesus described hell as a place where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 8:12).
I believe a deeper study of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus will clear up your understanding of this having anything to do with a literal man burning in literal fire compared to a literal man being comforted in a literal heaven. The fact that you say at the end of this post that it sounds like it SHOULD be taken literally, shows that most of your understanding of the whole message in scripture must be a literal one inspite of Jesus saying "the words I speak are SPIRIT". If you want a flawless explanation of this parable (which is too long for me to post here) use the link provided.2. The rich man who found himself in torment was both eternally consigned there without any hope (Luke 16:26), and was suffering (16:23 lifted up his eyes, being in torment).
http://bible-truths.com/lazarus.html. Lazarus represents the gentiles and the rich man represents the Judah and his 5 brothers just to give you a heads up.
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If one thing is learned in life it should be the fact that when something is opposed to one needs only to study indepth the oppositions views before making any claims. A defence lawyer must look into every fascet of evidence that the prosecution has in order to properly defend his client. I know if I was being the one defended I would not want a lazy lawyer defending me who was just out to get the job done. You really need to look over the whole thread or at least take some advice which would give you a better understanding as to why I believe along with others in this world in the unviversal redemption of all mankind. Otherwise like bibleonly and I just begin slinging mud back and forth with no conlusion in sight. If you are a serious bible student with the truth being your primary goal than you need to learn that theres more to the bible than meets the eye (carnally). Here are links to 2 sites. I have found them to be the most compelling writings avainlable today on scriptural understanding. These are not oppinions and traditional idols of the heart. You will find nothing but scripture on these sites and nothing less than understanding of spiritual things. http://www.bible-truths.com/Jesus said that the fire described in hell is unquenchable (Mark 9:43), yet if hell is temporary or annihilation, then the fire is eventually quenched. Jesus further noted, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched (Mark 9:44,46,48). Clearly, Jesus is warning us against anyone who would tell us that the suffering in hell is temporary, eventually ends, or is non-existent.
http://www.iswasandwillbe.com/strongdelusion.php
I really hate to always post links in a page but I have learned that these forums make it impossible to clarify anything with the amount of space given. So with that being said I offer you another link concerning these words eternity and forever and ever and everlasting. http://bible-truths.com/aeonion.htm. I would also like to note that 2 Peter 2:9 is quite far from saying anything about the present condition of wicked people, he is stating a fact that God knows how to deliver the ungodly from temptation and reserve the ungodly unto the day of judgment to be (future tense) punished.4. The wicked end up consigned with the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41) and this condition is called eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46). In addition, the suffering of the devil and all his followers is pictured as conscious suffering that never ends, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever (Revelation 20:10). 5. The Holy Spirit speaking through Peter described wicked people as presently being under punishment (2 Peter 2:9).
I'll have to admit, i haven't read this whole thread in it's entirety, but look how scary that sounds!!!! It's HORRIFIC! I mean, it sound like as if were to be taken literally!
I think i''m gonna go pray now!:run: :shout
You should really take a couple of days off this forum and do a little study on these links I have offered. If you are seriously in search for the truth and you are confident in what you believe than you should have nothing to worry about concerning these links. You will ask yourself how you could have never seen these things before. God has sent a strong delusion and none will escape it with the exeption of His elect only by His spirit and grace. You need to find out what this strong delusion really is.
God Bless, Dave