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Enlightenment....Its Dark Side

Discussion in 'Psychology News' started by Revoltingest, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I've never tried enlightenment.
    But it hasn't called to me.
    I also haven't tried believing in gods.
    But I prefer atheism.
    One needn't try everything to know what one likes.
     
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  3. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    Thought about pursuing enlightenment a few years back....they realized I am too good for it :D

    Actually I did think about it, but after much thinking, I did not think I wanted to be enlightened....
     
  4. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    It sounds like a lot of work.
    And if self-proclaimed enlightened & spiritual people are
    any indication, I'd be even more annoying than I am already.
     
  5. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    Don't sell yourself short. You are by FAR more annoying that folks like the Dalai Lama

    My thought was i had to spend copious amounts of time pursuing enlightenment, and one is pursuing enlightenment to better enjoy living......why not just cut out the middle man and start enjoying living....seems to me, at least for me, that I was going to waste a lot of time pursing enlightenment while missing life
     
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  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Glad to have been of some help
     
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  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    But I could become so much more.
     
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    :DYes, IF you phrase it in this way it's correct and makes sense, but that was not my point:D

    Correct, but you first need to experience enlightenment before you know if you prefer unenlightenment, right ?
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    There's no need.
    Some people are seekers.
    And some of us are content bypassing alternatives.
    I see "correct" as inapplicable.
     
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    I did not say "there is need"

    I just said that the word "prefer" means that you have experienced both, otherwise you can not say I prefer

    Or do you disagree, and if so, how do you define the word "prefer"?
     
  11. Revoltingest

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    True.
    But I presumed it based upon your question....
    "Correct, but you first need to experience enlightenment before you know if you prefer unenlightenment, right ?"
    I experience unlightenment, & I observe comments on enlightenment.
    Tis enuf info for me.
     
  12. stvdv

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    Aha, I understand. But that was definitely not what I meant. I just meant "the definition and use of the word 'prefer' in the English language"
    "prefer" implies to compare 2 things, right?. And compare is only possible if you have 'tasted' both
    e.g.: to say "I prefer Venice to Rome" ONLY makes sense if you have experienced both, right?
    e.g.: to say "I prefer 'no sex' over sex" does not make sense, unless you have had sex, right?
    e.g.: to say "I prefer Apple over Durian" ONLY makes sense if you have tasted Durian, right?

    So, I am not saying that you should go to Venice or Rome, or have sex or no sex, or eat apple or Durian
    I am just saying IF you use the word "prefer" THEN it implies that you tried them both (or you can know by visualizing it)

    Or, is my definition of the word "prefer" wrong here? Then please tell me. I learn new English words each day on RF
    Maybe "prefer" has another meaning too of which I am not aware, and hence we misunderstand each other

    With this I fully agree. No need to experience enlightenment, esp. not if unenlightenment is enough for you.

    It was just the word prefer (meaning of the word in the English language)
     
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    A quick study of rf'ers revealed this truth unto me.
     
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  14. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Don't have much useful to add to this thread, except that I dislike the word "Brights" because it implies more than it can defend in its members (I used to be one), and I've always disliked the term "enlightened" for the same reason. Making claims of some mystical superiority over other folks, with nothing to actual demonstrate any such superiority, bugs me.

    Oh, and of course, I also suspect it's mostly not true, anyway. In just the same way that "Brights" aren't necessarily smarter than everybody else just because they don't believe in gods.
     
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  15. Audie

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    All this religion-religion stuff is so self indulgent, so self centered.
     
  16. Revoltingest

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    I don't use "prefer" so technically.
    I face many alternatives to my path,
    & avoid them without trying them.
    This is my "prefer".
     
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  17. Revoltingest

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    Not all, fortunately.
     
  18. Audie

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    In the rare tome "Audie, Eye of The Woods",
    we find these words:

    "The all seeing eye sees all, and, having seen,
    sees more."
     
  19. Revoltingest

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    I see.
     
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  20. stvdv

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    "avoid them without trying them" is very clear

    But your "prefer" is a lot less complicated, also when talking about spiritual things. Now I can also say "I prefer Heaven over this life". Normallly I would not do that, because I have not experienced Heaven. But I always need to be very careful how to word it

    So, I am all for your "prefer" use. I prefer "easy going" anyway.

    So, thanks for the feedback:). RF life gets a lot easier with this.
     
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