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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Theweirdtophat, Jan 25, 2016.

  1. cambridge79

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    even a broken clock gets the time right two times a day
     
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    i love how one can say the right thing for all the wrong reasons.
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Compare them with science. What do they say about universe, evolution, etc.? That is a definite measure of truth in a religion. Platitudes are galore in all religions. Ad-blurbs.
    Hinduism and Buddhism do not say different things. I am a Hindu/Buddhist, there is one more person in RF who is definitely Hindu/Buddhist. There could be more.
     
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    if they were not different then why are they have different names of religion? do Buddhist worship Visnu, Brahma and Siva? If those three Gods were true exist then Buddhist are wrong for not believing in those Gods. As I said two religions cannot be both true. one must be true, or neither at all.
     
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    Why? Who made up this rule? Why can't it be "both-and" instead of "either-or"?
     
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    I think it would be difficult to make a religion without some appearance of moral teachings. However, I find false religions to be repugnant, since they keep their adherents in spiritual darkness. Such darkness produces evil deeds, rotten fruitage that identifies the tree as rotten. (Matthew 7:17-20)
     
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    Theweirdtophat,
    You have mentioned several points, but in everyone of them you seem to have put too much trust in what men have taught you. This would take a book for me to write and thoroughly explain each thing you have mentioned.
    Let me just mention the subject of religion. Why would there be a need for different religions?? God is not a God of disorder, but of peace, 1Corinthians 14:33. If you have different groups there will be disagreements, different understanding of the scriptures.
    The Bible is very clear about ONE religion, and only one that is acceptable to Him, Ephesians 4:3-6. Jesus said that God's word is truth, John 17:17, and that all disciples should be as ONE, meaning one is purpose, just as Jesus is one with the Father, John 10:30, 17:21-23.
    An important thing to remember, there is only one truth, about religion, but there are many untruths. Jesus said that the Father is looking for those who worship in truth, and that we MUST worship in spirit and TRUTH, John 4:23,24. The Bible even says that God is going to destroy all who do not love truth, 2Thessalonians 2:10-13. Jesus said that we are either on his side or against him, we are either gathering with him or we are scattering, Matthew 12:30, John 17:17.
    Notice what Paul wrote in the scriptures, about just how close the thinking is among His people, NO divisions, 1Corinthians 1:10-13. All of God's people are to gather together, and edify each other, Hebrews 10:24,25.
    The Bible tells us that we cannot be partaking of the table of demons and the table of God, 1Corinthians 10:21,22.
    The Bible tells us that only those who call on The NAME of God will be saved, Acts 2:21, 15:14,17, Romans 10:13.
    Remember, in the first century Christianity was called The WAY, because they were all one is purpose and work, and living, Acts 9:2, and Christians were not to associate with unbelievers, except, of course, to teach them truth of The Gospel, 1Corinthians 16:33, 2Corinthians 6:14-18.
    Any false beliefs were to be removed from the Christian congregation, 1Corinthians 5:7,8, Matthew 16:11,12.
     
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    Hindu believe in three Gods or more, Buddhism don't, Islam believe in One God, Christians believe in a Holy Spirit and Jesus as the Gods.
    different beliefs different deities.
    What about other religious stuff that in some points are contradicted each other?
    Islam considers all religions outside Islam are wrong. Christians do so. Or do you think Islam which One God and Christians with Three Gods are both true?
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Hindus do worship Buddha as the latest and the ninth avatara of Lord Vishnu. You see, some Hindu sects worship Krishna only and not Shiva or Mother Goddess. So, if the Buddhist do not worship Hindu Gods and Goddesses, it is OK with us.
    See my signature. The image in for Shiva. The line is for Rama/Vishnu. You cannot apply rules of other religions to Hinduism. :)
    "Hindu believe in three Gods or more ..": Well, for your information, I am a strong atheist and an advaitist Hindu (believer in non-duality, there is no place for God in my belief). As I said, do not apply rules of other religions to Hinduism. Hinduism is a class by itself.
     
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    Its their focus on different segments (POV) of the same truth to advice the reader and believer by/with what they actually focused on. Thats why it is very useful to declare other religions as wrong. But only that one believer/reader should not be distracted from his own religion. And not because that they(all other religions) are wrong.
     
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    you can worship who ever you want. I dont wonder you worship Sidharta Gautama also, since you worship Ganesha (elephant) and cows, sorry. It is the fact.
    But the other fact also, Buddhists don't venerate let alone worship your Gods. Of course Buddhist do so because they don't believe your Gods exist.
     
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    Actually, that specific example does not work.
     
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    It works in my logic, am I wrong to have the idea like that? or are both us true?
     
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    Leaving aside your misrepresentations, the validity of a religion is almost entirely unrelated to what specific teachings it might have about deities.

    Deities are simply not very significant.
     
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    Yes, you are very much wrong. You take God waaay too seriously.
     
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    Aside from the fact your understanding of what these other religions actually believe is in error, to me it doesn't matter how one describes wind. It's still wind. Are you arguing for correct descriptions? How is the description of something the same as the thing itself?

    Partial truths often may be in contradiction with one another. But since when are partial truths absolute truth?

    Not everyone in Christianity thinks like this, nor does everyone in Islam, nor in Buddhism, etc. It's simply a way that some humans think about truth. It's simply how some humans interpret truth, as absolute, black and white, I'm right and you're wrong, my perception or your perception, etc. This is either-or thinking, and it does not understand others' perceptions as valid. It deals with contradiction by eliminating the others, not be finding a reconciliation which means not holding your own perspective alone as absolute. It's the beginning of Wisdom to do this, which is humility to allow other perspectives of truth to hold validity as well as your own.

    Christians don't believe in three gods. Neither do Hindus. They all believe in one God. But what I believe about the religions' ways of talking about God is that they are all partial truths, perspectives from a limited, finite understanding, and they all hold some truth to them.

    Have you ever heard the parable of the blind men and the elephant?

    It was six men of Indostan
    To learning much inclined,
    Who went to see the Elephant
    (Though all of them were blind),
    That each by observation
    Might satisfy his mind.

    The First approach'd the Elephant,
    And happening to fall
    Against his broad and sturdy side,
    At once began to bawl:
    "God bless me! but the Elephant
    Is very like a wall!"

    The Second, feeling of the tusk,
    Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
    So very round and smooth and sharp?
    To me 'tis mighty clear
    This wonder of an Elephant
    Is very like a spear!"

    The Third approached the animal,
    And happening to take
    The squirming trunk within his hands,
    Thus boldly up and spake:
    "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
    Is very like a snake!"

    The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
    And felt about the knee.
    "What most this wondrous beast is like
    Is mighty plain," quoth he,
    "'Tis clear enough the Elephant
    Is very like a tree!"

    The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
    Said: "E'en the blindest man
    Can tell what this resembles most;
    Deny the fact who can,
    This marvel of an Elephant
    Is very like a fan!"

    The Sixth no sooner had begun
    About the beast to grope,
    Then, seizing on the swinging tail
    That fell within his scope,
    "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
    Is very like a rope!"

    And so these men of Indostan
    Disputed loud and long,
    Each in his own opinion
    Exceeding stiff and strong,
    Though each was partly in the right,
    And all were in the wrong!

    MORAL.

    So oft in theologic wars,
    The disputants, I ween,
    Rail on in utter ignorance
    Of what each other mean,
    And prate about an Elephant
    Not one of them has seen!
     
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    Good, if I were wrong then your were true. You simply affirm my previous assertion. Both can't be true, right?
     
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    okay then. I am wrong and you are right, allegedly.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    I too do not worship Gods and Goddesses. For me they are mythological and cultural idols. So what?
    Most Hindus are polytheists, Windwalker. Worship many but will still agree to this idea.
     
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    I suppose that correlates to why I do not think of Islam as a particularly succesful religion.
     
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