Dr Adnan Ibrahim on Emotional Atheism

[FearGod]

And yet you say such disconnected things?

Such as?

 

[FearGod]

Atheism was not invented. Theism was.

But you're still discussing God, why concerned?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That shows us how people distort the reality and religion including inventing Atheism as a one choice,
that's why I disagree with people.

So how should we decide which religions are distortions of the truth?

 

[LuisDantas]

But you're still discussing God, why concerned?

We all live in the same world. I would like nothing better than to exist in a world that never invented the idea of deity, but that is not a choice I have.

 

[FearGod]

So how should we decide which religions are distortions of the truth?

By reasoning, religion in general is for good.
I can't decide for you which is wrong and which is right.

 

[FearGod]

We all live in the same world. I would like nothing better than to exist in a world that never invented the idea of deity, but that is not a choice I have.

You can reject God but why you want it for all.

 

[LuisDantas]

You can reject God but why you want it for all.

Same reason why I want people to be rid of any other destructive belief or ideology.

 

[FearGod]

Same reason why I want people to be rid of any other destructive belief or ideology.

Do you care about the world?
What about discussing the wars? the ideology of controlling the world and its sources.
Do you blame religion for North Korea developing mass destruction weapons or Russia ..or and or?
Are people better and much kind without religion?

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you care about the world?

Obviously. Were you really in doubt? It is not like I have a choice....

What about discussing the wars? the ideology of controlling the world and its sources.
Do you blame religion for North Korea developing mass destruction weapons or Russia ..or and or?

Not religion (which I support) nor even theism exactly (which I disapprove of), but nationalism, which is somewhat comparable to theism in that it involves submission to a fictional concept.

Are people better and much kind without religion?

Without religion, I wouldn't know. Without theism, certainly.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

By reasoning, religion in general is for good.

What reasoning?

I can't decide for you which is wrong and which is right.

You already tried to do exactly that: you called the beliefs you disagree with "distortions of reality".

 

[FearGod]

Obviously. Were you really in doubt? It is not like I have a choice....

Why you care about the world?as you see the world is divided among itself regardless of religion and belief,
it's even divided among the citizen of one nation, everyone wants the best for himself and not for the others.

Not religion (which I support) nor even theism exactly (which I disapprove of), but nationalism, which is somewhat comparable to theism in that it involves submission to a fictional concept.

So there should be no countries, it's the same notion of one caliphate.

Without religion, I wouldn't know. Without theism, certainly.

How the world would be better without theism?

 

[FearGod]

What reasoning?

It's how i see it from my perspective.

You already tried to do exactly that: you called the beliefs you disagree with "distortions of reality".

And you can disagree with mine, what's the problem?

 

[Godobeyer]

Without religion, I wouldn't know. Without theism, certainly.

back to WW2

Hitler was not religious man, he caused war take more than 60 millions souls.
that war was not much because religions.

In recent history there is much wars done because politic or economic reasons, not by because relgious.

 

[LuisDantas]

back to WW2

Hitler was not religious man, he caused war take more than 60 millions souls.

I very much doubt it.

Are you aware that Hitler studied to be a priest, saw himself as spared by "fate" for a grand destiny, and took the swastika from the catholic school he studied at?

To say nothing of his obvious Messiah Complex.

that war was not much because religions.

In recent history there is much wars done because politic or economic reasons, not by because relgious.

Mostly because nationalism acquired some of the traits of monotheism. Still, I don't think your statement is quite correct - as best evidenced in Israel and India, IMO.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why you care about the world?as you see the world is divided among itself regardless of religion and belief,
it's even divided among the citizen of one nation, everyone wants the best for himself and not for the others.

What manner of question is this? Everyone should care about the world.

So there should be no countries, it's the same notion of one caliphate.

Heck, no. No one should presume divine favor.

How the world would be better without theism?

There would be considerably less arrogance, less waste of faith, less grave mistakes.

Although I should probably have said monotheism there. And even then, there are various forms of monotheism. Relying on god-belief is far worse than simply having it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's how i see it from my perspective.

This doesn't answer my question. What is it about religion that makes you see things from this perspective?

And you can disagree with mine, what's the problem?

The problem is that your position is hypocritical... though this is really more of a problem for you than for me.

 

[FearGod]

What manner of question is this? Everyone should care about the world.

By Atheism, we care about the world.

Heck, no. No one should presume divine favor.

So you're with the notion of one world (caliphate)

There would be considerably less arrogance, less waste of faith, less grave mistakes.

Although I should probably have said monotheism there. And even then, there are various forms of monotheism. Relying on god-belief is far worse than simply having it.

Not true, such things happen regardless of religion.

 

[LuisDantas]

By Atheism, we care about the world.

"By atheism"? You might as well say "by baldness".

We atheists care about the world because we need it. Is it really that hard to understand and accept that? Do you think we live in a pocket dimension that protects us from theists, or something?

So you're with the notion of one world (caliphate)

I told you already, but let's elaborate and reinforce it: I do not support any idea of caliphate. It is much too reliant on the ideas of central authority and of divine favor for me to support.

Not true, such things happen regardless of religion.

That is a bold, and IMO plenty unwarranted claim. And please, try to remember that I do not oppose religion at all. I oppose reliance on monotheism.

 

[FearGod]

This doesn't answer my question. What is it about religion that makes you see things from this perspective?

I see my religion is fit for me, it doesn't mean it's fit for you.
For example if your daughter chose to work as a porn star then it's OK in your society and i think you don't mind it,
according to the morals and the ethics of my religion i can't see prostitutes everywhere as we may see it in many
other parts of the world.

The problem is that your position is hypocritical... though this is really more of a problem for you than for me.

You're free to disagree with me but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

 

[LuisDantas]

I see my religion is fit for me, it doesn't mean it's fit for you.
For example if your daughter chose to work as a porn star then it's OK in your society and i think you don't mind it,
according to the morals and the ethics of my religion i can't see prostitutes everywhere as we may see it in many
other parts of the world.

You are not even trying to understand that there is more than two extremes, now are you?

You're free to disagree with me but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

What makes you a hypocrite is the consistent refusal to take responsibility for your claims and act accordingly.