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Does USA "trust in God" while making abortions and banning Creationism-prayers in schools?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by questfortruth, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    The God in the US is written into its Constitution, but is the "dead" god, because the gay-problem, and the abortions, and secularism are allowed.

    Which God?

    The Biblical God, because the USA was started by Christians.
     
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    One can trust in God, while not considering those two issues having anything to do with faith in God.
     
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  3. questfortruth

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    Which God?

    The Biblical God, because the USA was started by Christians. Thus, this God hates gay-problem and abortions.
     
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    No, God is NOT written into the Constitution. And it wasn't on our money originally, either.

    God (nature's God, by the way) shows up in the Declaration of Independence, but not in the Constitution.

    Secularism is the *basis* of the US system of government. It is part of the reason for the first Amendment, after all. Remember: Congress shall make no law establishing a religion?

    As for abortion, that is a matter that different religions even see differently. And it has been decided that *Constitutionally*, the government has no right to interfere in such personal, medical decisions.

    There is no 'gay problem' except for those who want to deny gays the same rights as everyone else.
     
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    Or maybe the deist God of Jefferson? Or the atheism of Paine? or of Franklin? Or perhaps the secularism of Madison?
     
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    Trust in God?.

    What do you expect God to do for you?
     
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    That God also believed in monarchy and slavery and genocide.

    Modern Christian God doesn't. He's been improved a good bit in the last couple of centuries.
    Tom
     
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    No it was not. It was started by Deists. They were not Christians.

    Deism & the Founding Fathers: Definition & Beliefs | Study.com.

    But, if you were to say the Christian God hates gays and abortion, you are incorrect. What God hates is hypocrisy, which is claiming to embrace God's love, while hating others, which you are sadly are doing.
     
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    Show me a reason to believe that the God of the Bible opposed feticide?

    I don't mean a vague reference to murder. Legal killings aren't murder. I mean feticide, specifically.
    Tom
     
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    Well making fun of gay people or physically hurting them is a problem but if you include that in the rights that are being denied then I guess you nailed it
     
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    Well at least this country doesn't execute homosexuals. Abortions would still continue if they were criminalized I think. As far as secularism goes I like God but I don't want to see a priest around every corner furthermore the church is corrupt anyway unfortunately
     
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    Not that long ago, in the US, a gay person could lose their job and lose their housing if their 'condition' was revealed. Even basic things like having a partner being able to visit at the hospital on your deathbed was denied.

    So, I am going far beyond being 'made fun of or physically hurt', although being physically hurt does sound like something that would be an issue, no?
     
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    If God made us all, then why would God make some people to be gay, and also why would He cause miscarriages?

    Personally, I take a more "naturalistic" view.
     
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    Not really. It is permitted to believe in God. There is a right to practice religion in the 1st amendment to it. Basically very near to the beginning it was guaranteed that people could go to any church or be in any religion. We have Eastern Orthodox churches here in the USA. Did you know that?

    We have always had very famous gay people here. Liberace (famous pianist) was one of the more recent ones. The man who trained the Revolutionary militia was famously gay. Our first diplomat Ben Franklin was not gay, however he was by no means critical of gay people. Its only in recent decades that people have become concerned about the presence of homosexual people, but homosexuality is nothing new. Its really not important.
     
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    Things have gotten better for gay people. I think even being made fun of is an issue especially when it comes to younger gay people. Those people that are making fun of young gays could possibly grow up and physically hurt someone so I think that's a serious issue as well. Plus it's a reflection on the parents. It all starts at at the kitchen table.

    Plus being made fun of can be quite damaging as well I think especially if They don't have supportive parents who teach them about bullies and even then it still can be quite damaging
     
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    I agree that things have gotten better. But I also think it is important to realize how recent and unstable those gains are. There are still many who would prefer to go back to the times when gays were routinely discriminated against with no legal recourse.
     
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    Original Sin can cause any kind of genetic illness. But in reply to all comments: people need not only the Bible, but a True Organization to it - the True Church. To gain certainty in life.
     
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    Im not really sure whether or not God is actually against abortions according to the bible. I think one can make a case either way.

    The most obvious argument that he is against it, is that you shall not kill, as I see it.

    But looking at the bible as a whole, I think one can make the case that this argument doesn't really hold up. The first direct counter to it, is that so many laws and commands that God issues to the Jews involve them killing someone and in a lot of these occasions, God does not tell the Jews to spare anyone. So if you are to not kill, this should apply to everything and not just unborn children.

    Second argument as I see it, is that children seem to be the property of their parents, so a father can sell his daughter, they can kill them if they curse them and so forth.

    Thirdly we have the law from Exodus:

    Exodus 21:22-23
    22 - "If two men are fighting and they strike a pregnant woman and her children are born prematurely but there is no harm, he is surely to be fined as the husband of the woman demands of him, and he will pay as the court decides.
    23 - If there is harm, then you are to require life for life,....


    Which could suggest that harming a pregnant woman, which as a result could end up harming the child will be punished. But there doesn't seem to be any rules in regards to parents choosing to get an abortion. Not sure, if they knew how do it back then or if that came later, which could explain why there are no specific rules about it.

    So all in all, I think it would be strange, if parents are supposedly "masters" of their children and can do almost whatever they feel like to them. But if its an unborn baby then they aint allowed, that doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense.
     
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    Do you have a gay and abortion problem? Since you want to accentuate certain aspects of life at the expense of all others?

    What I do know is God loves those people who are in a chosen gay lifestyle and want's to heal the heart of those who experienced abortions.
     
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    I can't imagine why Christianity is in decline in the USA.
     
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