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Does God send babies to hell?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Genna, Sep 10, 2006.

  1. Cordoba

    Cordoba Well-Known Member

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  2. EnhancedSpirit

    EnhancedSpirit High Priestess

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    God does not send anyone to hell. If someone ends up in this state of afterlife, it is of their own doing, by choices they made in life.

    A result, not a punishment.
     
  3. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    yes ,i agree the dead are not aware of anything, just as the bible tells us . that is a clear bible teaching that you mentioned.
     
  4. 9harmony

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    "Question. -- What is the condition of children who die before attaining the age of discretion or before the appointed time of birth?
    Answer. -- These infants are under the shadow of the favor of God; and as they have not committed any sin and are not soiled with the impurities of the world of nature, they are the centers of the manifestation of bounty, and the Eye of Compassion will be turned upon them. "
    (Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 240)


    "Be not grieved at the death of that infant child, for it is placed in trust for thee before thy Lord in His great Kingdom."
    (Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha v1, p. 194)
     
  5. Peace4all

    Peace4all Active Member

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    To punish a baby would be ridiculous; almost as ridiculous as punishing the mentally challenged people. How can god judge something with no real intellectual capacity?
     
  6. Bishka

    Bishka Veteran Member

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    Taking that verse a bit out of context aren't we?

    Eclclesiates 9:4-5
    4. For to him that is joined to all the living there is a hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
    5. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    Taht could be referring to the spiritually dead as well as the physically dead. It's all about interpretation.
     
  7. Genna

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    Not a punishment? Why does the bible say it is punishment? Unless you believe that the word "punishment" uttered by Jesus Christ somehow has a different meaning which is unlikely.

    Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
  8. Bishka

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    Genna,

    I have a bit of a personal question, what is your purpose of this thread, do you truly want to know or are you just prodoucing a debate?
     
  9. Genna

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    I want to know, I never disagreed with the majority of the posters on this thread who do not believe that God will send babies to hell, so why would you even ask such a question? My most recent post was very simple, I used the bible an cited a verse and asked if the poster agrees with it, did I do something wrong?
     
  10. Bishka

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    No, you didn't do anything wrong, but I was asking for my own curiousity, that's all.

    It's not just this thread, but others that sparked my question. There is absolutley no need to take offense.
     
  11. Genna

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    Why would you think that I am offended?:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
     
  12. Tagra

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    PLease look up Genesis chapter 3, verse 3-6. I do believe in the original sin, but it wasn't sex if that is what you are talking about - how could Adam and Eve "Be fruitful abd become many and fill the earth..." if they were not alowed to have intercourse?
     
  13. Bishka

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    They couldn't, they have to break one of the commandments to fufill the other.

    Makes sense to me.
     
  14. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Becky wasn't implying that it was sinful for Adam and Eve to have sexual relations. I can guarantee that.
     
  15. Bishka

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    Not at all..

    I actually wasn't sure what to make of her post.?!!?!
     
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    I believe that all babies are in heaven before they are concieved and born.so when they are born they are still familiar with the heavenly spirits. Matthew 18:3-5:
    Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

    So my theory is that once we get a vocabulary and learn to speak and think as a big child, then adolecent, then adult. then we are to choose to have the kind of faith as the baby that we were (presumeably in the kingdom of heaven) Our upbringing could possibly play a part into our choice of actions. David's mother had him out of wedlock and he exlaimed I was born into sin and shaped in iniquity. so his parents predetermined him to have sex without being married which could lead to eternal separation from God.​
     
  17. Bishka

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    What?
     
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    Poetic hyperbole. The context of the rest of the Psalm is David, who is lamenting the sin Nathan called him on with Batsheva.
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Question for you. Are there babies in Heaven that will never be conceived?

    ANd what form do those babies have? Like embryos?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
  20. NulliuSINverba

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    It appears that the answer is a resounding YES.

    ...

    "Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock." ~ Psalm 137:9

    The Bible clearly illustrates that there are scenarios where the Christian god has no problem blessing someone who'd grab your little child and smash it against a rock. That's as far as this world goes.

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    Then, we must consider the Christian doctrine of Original Sin.

    If all are indeed born sinful (and the various Christian sects appear to be rather universally in agreement regarding humanity's inherently sinful nature ... Jesus being the lone notable exception to this) and an individual fails to repent and get baptized, then it seems a rather regrettable (but doctrinally inescapable) conclusion that God is indeed obliged to consign babies to hell based on his own rules.

    "Man that is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble. He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not. And doth thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee? Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one." ~ Job 14:1-4

    Theistic Aside: Please ignore the fact that Jesus was born of a woman ... while remembering that under no circumstances should this be viewed as a scriptural inconsistency. It's simply a matter best left to those skilled in advanced exegesis and hermeneutics. You just concentrate on your own inherently sinful nature, got it?

    "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." ~ Psalm 51:5

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    "Foolishness is firmly attached to a child's heart. Spanking will remove it far from him." ~ Proverbs 22:15

    Try this: Try to imagine hell as an eternal spanking. Does that help salve away the sense of guilt that is nothing more than a weak, transitory, entirely human reaction to the thought of casting unrepentant and unbaptized babies into a lake of fire for an eternity of torment?

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    Possible Solution: Perhaps if you could indisputably demonstrate that newborn babies believe in Jesus, we might find a way to apply John 3:16 as a sort of loophole?

    I'm fairly certain that there's currently no evidence whatsoever that newborn infants are capable of forming ideas of (to say nothing about believing in) supernatural beings. However, when one stops and considers what's at stake here, doesn't it seem like this might be a critical area of scientific inquiry for the myriad Christian denominations to invest their nearly incalculable financial resources?
     
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