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Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

Does Xmas (Christmas) have anything to do with Christ?


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jreedmx

Member
Christmas is a reality every year whatever you may think or believe about it. The meaning you take from it is up to you. People celebrate it in various ways and levels of belief or non belief. The fact remains that it's a wonderful time of the year for a lot of people and families.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Christmas is a reality every year whatever you may think or believe about it. The meaning you take from it is up to you. People celebrate it in various ways and levels of belief or non belief. The fact remains that it's a wonderful time of the year for a lot of people and families.

And how many suicides and drunkeness happens because of ' holiday blues ' ?_________
How did Jesus' first century followers celebrate his birthday ?________
According to history the Jews did Not.
Sure Christmas is a reality every year, and if the government would ban Christmas by making people pay a fine for celebrating it, or do jail time, then how many would remain true and faithful to celebrating it ?__________
 

turbopro

New Member
It does have something to do with Christ--and I think that is obvious. Christians made it that way.

If, however, the question was asked: "Is Xmas based solely on Christ?": well then, perhaps the answer is no.

The pagan roots of several modern Christian religious celebrations are, similarly, obvious.

Christmas has roots in the "Yule" celebrations during the northern hemisphere's mid-winter period.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
How is it that you are unable to comprehend that we are discussing Christianity as it is defined in statements of belief by all the major sects, and actually practiced by everyday people, and not the Christianity you would prefer?

LOL! NOT!

The question was does X-mas -Christmas have anything to do with Christ.

Except for him as the Passover Sacrifice, Jesus told us to Honor his Father, not him.

The Solstice celebrations were/are Pagan. Christianity knows this, and celebrates them anyway.

As to Trinity - not in the Bible. If it isn't in the Bible it is just made-up traditions of man!

Mark 7:8 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.' 8"Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Why does G-d have to 'command' a celebration, just seems cynical.

God doesn't have to command any celebration, and that could be why there are No Christian celebrations in Scripture. Sometimes called as a celebration, but what Jesus' commanded was a memorial remembrance of the day of his death which annually falls on the Jewish calendar date of Nisan the 14th day. - See Luke 22:19

A reason to remember Jesus' death the way Jesus wanted to be remembered is because Jesus' ransom death for us is based on the Scales of Justice ' Life for life ' [ Deut. 19:21 ], meaning Jesus' sinless life and death would be what is of value. Jesus stood in our place thus freeing us from what Adam's fallen life brought upon us, and thus opened the door for us to be able to live forever.
 
In truth Jesus Christ was born around January the 17th or so the closest date from the calender preceding it's change and discipline is right, it was the introduction of pagan dates into the bible to win pagans to Christianity that caused the birth date of Christ to change, as far as the meaning of Christ's birth concerned it's more a combination of three things remembrance, gratefulness and celebration. If you really want to find out more about pagan Roman and Greek dates Incorporated into the bible besides asking a theology student The Golden Bough Abridged or Unabridged volumes works on theology will give you all the facts you want know to the closest point. I think though it is hard to say the true meaning of Christ is lost since it is also supposed to be celebratory date too.
 
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ginaleanne

Member
When every other commercial on TV is about Black Friday with a song by a group that was rumored to be named Anti Christ Devils Child AC/DC called Back in Black, I'd say some where a long the way the Christian aspect of the holiday was totally lost.
 

SniggleFritz

Praising God.
I'm not even sure that Christianity has anything to do with Christ. From what I can see it's become merely a social club for right-wing capitalists to dupe gullible constituents into granting them political power. But Christmas definitely no longer has links to Christ. One rarely sees Mary and her infant. Mostly it's Santa and reindeer.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I'm not even sure that Christianity has anything to do with Christ. From what I can see it's become merely a social club for right-wing capitalists to dupe gullible constituents into granting them political power. But Christmas definitely no longer has links to Christ. One rarely sees Mary and her infant. Mostly it's Santa and reindeer.
Christmas has become a thing about screaming commercialism. I try to ignore all that. I have nothing against capitalism, but putting commercialism into various holidays is a crying shame.
 

captainnima

New Member
The idea of December 25th was initiated during the reign of Constantine. He converted (half heartedly) to Christianity in order for the rest of Rome to do the same in an effort to unite his empire. It had nothing to do with Christ and it was 300 years after Christ's death. Of course with this action he also sealed the demise of his empire. Within a few decades, Rome was in ruin and the start of centuries of dark ages.

zahadat
nima
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
The idea of December 25th was initiated during the reign of Constantine. He converted (half heartedly) to Christianity in order for the rest of Rome to do the same in an effort to unite his empire. It had nothing to do with Christ and it was 300 years after Christ's death. Of course with this action he also sealed the demise of his empire. Within a few decades, Rome was in ruin and the start of centuries of dark ages.

zahadat
nima
Yep!
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The question wasn't does Christmas have everything to do with Christ. It was does Christmas have anything to do with Christ.

Of course it has something to do with Christ. Jesus Christ is Christmas's mascot.

By Christmas the story of Jesus' birth becomes well known. We are suppose to preach the gospel. Few do. But Christmas preaches it.
 

KONDRU

New Member
The idea of December 25th was initiated during the reign of Constantine. He converted (half heartedly) to Christianity in order for the rest of Rome to do the same in an effort to unite his empire. It had nothing to do with Christ and it was 300 years after Christ's death. Of course with this action he also sealed the demise of his empire. Within a few decades, Rome was in ruin and the start of centuries of dark ages.

zahadat
nima
Thanks that you have quoted History. Weather American ban or the entire world ban the truth is Jesus born as human on this earth 2014 years ago. It is good news to the entire world. we commemorate his birth as a symbol of respect to him. He saviour. He loved irrespective of cast, creed, and co lour.No one can change past and truth.We celebrate our Birthdays ever year. why can't Lord's Birth day?
 

joshua3886

Great Purple Hippo
The only thing Christmas has to do with Christ is the name. It's a day of family, evergreen trees, presents, cookies, ham and a relative passed out on the couch from too much eggnog. None of these things have anything to do with the Christian bible, Mormon bible or any other Judeo religion. Even the commercials and stores advertise everything except Christian ideals.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
The only thing Christmas has to do with Christ is the name. It's a day of family, evergreen trees, presents, cookies, ham and a relative passed out on the couch from too much eggnog. None of these things have anything to do with the Christian bible, Mormon bible or any other Judeo religion. Even the commercials and stores advertise everything except Christian ideals.
Well, mostly. I do know of Christians who read Luke Chapter 2, don't have a tree or Santa Claus.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Christmas past was a day to relieve the heavy work load of the poor. It was a day off for them and a day of generosity. To not be letting workers off and to not be giving to the poor that day was a bad social move. Doesn't anyone here watch old movies?????
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
Christmas past was a day to relieve the heavy work load of the poor. It was a day off for them and a day of generosity. To not be letting workers off and to not be giving to the poor that day was a bad social move. Doesn't anyone here watch old movies?????
So it doesn't matter that every pagan sun god was worshiped at the same time in December for centuries before Jesus? Would Jesus appreciate his birth being celebrated in the same fashion as false idols?
 
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