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Featured Do you identify as a Heretic?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Eddi, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. Eddi

    Eddi reformed crackpot

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    I identify as a Christian Heretic
    • I don't believe in Hell
    • I don't believe in Sola Scriptura
    • I don't believe in Sola Fide
    But I believe in everything else, such as the Nicene Creed and the Holy Trinity

    I use the word "Heretical" to mean any non-mainstream version of a religion

    And yes, the term is loaded with value judgments...

    And yes, one man's heresy is another man's orthodoxy...

    With regards to Christianity, I use the term to describe any Christian belief system that is at odds with the traditional teachings and doctrines of the Christina faith. But that is nonetheless Christian.

    Question:

    Does your faith tradition have such a notion?

    Are you a Heretic in your tradition?

    If so, how come?

    I am in mine :D
     
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  2. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    well....let me think....
     
  3. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    oh.....I know....
    I don't believe I am saved because some Nice Guy died on a cross 2000yrs ago

    I do believe His saving grace was dealt in His parables
     
  4. Native

    Native Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist

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    You could use the same "heretic method analysis" on dogmatic consensus science.
     
  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    no please......no dogma
     
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  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Considering religion is not far of ubiquitous and i don't do religion then i guess i must be a heritic although I don't identify as one
     
  7. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Yes I do. I am Pelagian.:)
     
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  8. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I'm so far out in left field religiously that I can't even find the ballpark. Fortunately that is allowed in Catholicism as even our priest knows I question everything, and yet he gave me the ok to return to taking the sacraments.
     
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  9. RestlessSoul

    RestlessSoul Active Member

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    I don’t really know if the term heretic has any meaning in the 21st Century, but if you identify as one, you’re in some pretty exalted company. Joan of Arc, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, William Blake, Percy Shelley, Leo Tolstoy, to name but a few.
     
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  10. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
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    An interesting thing about the history of "heresy". I think calling divergent understandings of Christianity to be "heresy" is error itself. It all began here with this dude in the 2nd Century who had a major burr in his behind about others who didn't believe they way he thought they should: Against Heresies (Irenaeus) - Wikipedia

    There's a really good book that touches on this I'd recommend if you're interested: https://www.amazon.com/Gnostic-Gosp...d=1619196727&sprefix=elain+pag,aps,178&sr=8-2

    The whole "heresy" thing, is really a response from the early proto-orthodox groups, who wanted to see standardized belief in order to be able to better administer groups of people. That's really nothing to do with actual spiritual truth or growth, but business administration. So phooey to all of that. ;)
     
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  11. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Veteran Member
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    That just means you're not a Protestant, not that you're a heretic. Lol.
     
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  12. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Meher Baba indicated this so heretic does not apply because we're enjoined to be honest about what we feel is true.

    What I want to impress upon you is this: never give a twist to what you feel deep down in your own hearts. If you feel I am the Avatar, say openly, 'Baba is the Avatar.' If you feel I am a fraud, do not hesitate to say, 'Baba is a fraud.' I remain unaffected by praise or abuse. If you speak what you feel to be true, you have the force of truth to make others accept truth.
     
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  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    "Do you identify as a Heretic?": No. I am an orthodox Hindu, Advaitist. But many people consider me a heretic to Hinduism because I do not accept existence of Gods and Goddesses.
    You do not have a religion. Therefore, you cannot be a heretic. I am a Hindu, therefore, if I do not confirm with the main-line, I will be termed as a heretic. ;)
     
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  14. crossfire

    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    I have the word heretic right there in my title. I consider myself to be a cultural heretic foremost, but I'll consider any tradition or custom to see if it is worthy to be broken, or simply ignored.
     
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  15. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    A real heretic, at last. :D
     
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  16. Gargovic Malkav

    Gargovic Malkav Active Member

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    I worship and believe in the One I see as the Source of Everything as a result of experience and faith. Label me as you see fit.
    Why do you call yourself an orthodox Hindu when your beliefs don't conform to the mainstream idea of your religious culture?
     
  17. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Many of my view are heretical according the the Anglican faith.
    And are more inline with the Non Subscribing Presbyterians of Ireland who are essentially Christian Unitarian. and are the long time church of my Family.
    However I worship in an Anglican Church.

    Non-subscribing Presbyterian Church of Ireland - Wikipedia

    The Anglican church consider Unitarian beliefs "Dangerous"
     
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  18. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Many protestant churches do not believe in either of those. and even fewer of their congregations... things have moved on since the reformation.
     
  19. Marcion

    Marcion Self-realisation and Service to the Universe

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    In the eyes of some Hindus and some Christians I'm probably a pain in the *** type of heretic.

    Describing Lord Jesus as a tantric type guru and Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna as guru's who walked the earth outwardly appearing not unlike ordinary humans without blue skins or moons popping out of their hair must be to them as 'swearing inside the church' (as the expression goes over here).

    But in my own tradition I'm not a heretic nor do they have it as a notion.
    Although we are quite orthodox, there is also a certain liberty to choose, e.g. between yes or no burial/cremation or yes or no circumcision.

    There isn't however a forced prescribed belief system, you are allowed to question things rationally just like in Buddhism.
     
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  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Orthodox means 'not new'. The philosophy that I follow in mentioned in "Mandukya Upanishad" which is numbered sixth among the old Upanishads. It is the shortest Upanishad with just 12 Sanskrit paragraphs. It is considered a part of AtharvaVeda.

    Mandukya Upanishad is known for these two declaration:
    1. "Ayamatma Brahma" - This self is Brahman.
    2. "Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma" - All things here (in this universe) are Brahman.

    In Valmiki's Ramayana, Lord Rama is supposed to have said:

    "The Mandukya alone is sufficient for the deliverance of the aspirant; if even then, the knowledge lacks, then read the ten Upanishads."

    The teaching of Mandukya Upanishad were followed by the teacher of the teacher of the first Sankaracharya, Gaudapada, who perhaps lived in 6th Century.
    For these reasons, I consider myself to be an orthodox Hindu, even though I am a strong atheist.
     
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