nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
that atheists and non-believers of your religions will got to hell (or an equivalent)? Furthermore, do you believe that their punishment will be eternal?
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Do you believe...
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Zorro1227
Active Member
Well if we do go to hell it'll be a lot better then eternity with the crazy bible thumpers
I don't know why you should even think the above could be possibly true...........I could not believe in a God who would judge man in that way.:cover:
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Lads. I don't get the persecution complex. Why do you waste even the tiniest part of your time wondering about what those you consider to be headbangers think?
Neither. The path I've chosen is not the only path. I don't believe in hell as a place, but a state of mind. If whatever path you've chosen leads you to a hellish state of mind, then that path is clearly not the right one for you.
Besides, in my beliefs, eventually, EVERYBODY, without exception, will come to realize God.
Besides, in my beliefs, eventually, EVERYBODY, without exception, will come to realize God.
JustWondering
Jerk
So an atheist hit by a bus when crossing the road realizes God when exactly?
Of course not. There is no hell and even the allogorical version described in Hinduism is not said to be eternal. I think that Christianity is the only main religion that believes in an eternal hell. And that isn't even all Christians.
In a future lifetime. Riverwolf and I follow different paths of Hinduism. We believe in reincarnation.
Though I would like to stress, at this time, that I (don't know about you, Madhuri), do not claim reincarnation is factual, though I do believe in it.
Eventually could mean a long time. For some, it takes a short amount of time, for others, longer.
If you want an exact time, I cannot give that to you. However, I don't believe theism is a prerequisite for realizing God (as Brahman).
I'm the same. I wouldn't even posit Hinduism or God as factual, though I believe in it.
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
I would contend that my own personal beliefs could never possibly be implemented as a wide-spread religion, but on the assumption that I was proven wrong by experience (and pleasantly surprised), then "my religion" would contend that nothing special happens to you because you are an Atheist or anything else for that matter. If being an Atheist made you live a less than optimal life (had less happiness than you might otherwise would have had; capitalized on less opportunities that you might otherwise have managed to, etc), then I would count that as all the "punishment" one needs to under go wouldn't you? Life is about learning. I consider the destruction of "knowledge" (even you consider it wrong) to be one of the most abhorrent things we can possibly do. I count the destruction of the library of alexandria as one of the most tragic events in human history and I count the systematic elimination of meso-american knowledge (via destruction of artifacts, script, etc) as one of the greatest travesties in human history.
The jury is still out for me on all manner of aspects of the cosmos, and so learning, theorizing, and reasoning out the agencies, actions, mechanisms, structures, essences, etc of the cosmos are something I consider to be a high priority. But would a dying man who disagreed with "my religion" differ from one that did agree? Practically speaking... Nope.
MTF
The jury is still out for me on all manner of aspects of the cosmos, and so learning, theorizing, and reasoning out the agencies, actions, mechanisms, structures, essences, etc of the cosmos are something I consider to be a high priority. But would a dying man who disagreed with "my religion" differ from one that did agree? Practically speaking... Nope.
MTF
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DadBurnett
Instigator
Do i believe? NO, I don't. And I find no conclusive proof the "Eternal" refers to time ...
s3v3n
Seeker of perspective
Not to pick at symantics but is there another definition you can put forth for eternity than a reference to time?
S3V3N
I do not believe in either of those. Like riverwolf I believe that hell is a state of mind but I would go ones step further and say that one stays in that state of mind long enough and deeply enough it can become a state of being. Everyone is susceptible to this in different measures but I don't believe the measures are based on what religion or spiritual path you follow or whether you follow one at all. I think it depends more on the individual and their personal strength of mind, body, and soul. I also believe that such a state is not permanent. We create our own hell with our own hands and as such we use those very same hands to destroy it. It's all a matter of making the choice to do so.
In this Jew's opinion, there is no hell, at least as such is commonly depicted in western culture.
There is, however, a final Judgment. Let's take a worst case scenario. If a soul is completely evil, that the person treated others with malice and hatred their entire life, atheist or non-believer or believer notwithstanding, then that soul is destroyed. Which is an eternal punishment, even without a place of eternal torture (which is the common concept of hell).
Do you see what I mean? A punishment can be of eternal consequence?
DadBurnett
Instigator
I have heard "eternity" spoken of as a "condition" rather than a span of time - as in eternal life could be said to be life with God an not a period of time with God.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell:
And by and by my Soul return'd to me,
And answer'd "I Myself am Heav'n and Hell:"
Heav'n but the Vision of fulfill'd Desire,
And Hell the Shadow from a Soul on fire,
Cast on the Darkness into which Ourselves,
So late emerged from, shall so soon expire.
Whathell
Member
Revelation 21:5-8 - Passage*Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
5. He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
6. He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
Whathell, I asked what you believed, not for you to spew out some scripture. Have you no opinion not supplied to you?