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Featured Do you believe that Jesus is the Word?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Disciple of Jesus, May 12, 2018.

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  1. Sunstone

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    The word translated as "Word" in the New Testament is derived from ancient Greek philosophy, which in itself is a bit fascinating. "Logos" had significantly different meanings depending on which school of philosophy you were talking about -- as Augustus points out in an earlier post in this thread.

    At some point in the development of the ancient Greek language, logos was contrasted with gnosis. Both were kinds of knowledge, but logos was knowledge based on reason, while gnosis was knowledge based on experience.

    For instance, what we call "know how" the Greeks of a certain period would have called "gnosis". And what we call "book learning" they would have called "logos". Knowledge derived from experience, and knowledge derived from reason.

    The term "Gnostic" for the religious movement is probably referring to the sense of gnosis as knowledge based on experience.
     
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  2. Disciple of Jesus

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    In other words, you don't know how the word belief is used by Believers, or in a religious context.
    Belief can be evidenced, or unevidenced.

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    Ok.
     
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    No, I believe that he is the typo.
     
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    A belief always contains a lie, there is always some element of doubt within it, where it is not all built upon evidence; so well aware that Believers have strong convictions based on what they're read in some book... Yet they've not actually seen it, and are guessing based on limited info.
    No wonder some people don't understand the Hebrew in the Tanakh, when there are so many typos... :oops:

    Let alone including Zoroastrian, Hindu, Yoruba, and many other cultures with these same typos. :rolleyes:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    And Yahweh is the God.
    John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

    Could you wish a clearer distinction between Jesus and God, in Jesus' own words?

    Besides, the Trinity isn't invented for another three hundred years. Why would you expect to find it in the NT?
     
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    a) Yes
    b) In answer to a question on the proceeding of the human spirit from God, Abdul-Baha explained the Baha'i interpretation of "the word was God" here;
    Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 205-207
     
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    You didn't read Genesis? -- You are also the Word of God.

    And the ground you trample beneath you. And the plants and animals you kill, to eat. And the water you drink. And the air you breathe. And the expanse and all its inhabitants.

    You are among many that were with God, and became flesh-- including animals, as Jeremiah also understood. And God remains with the entirety of His Word, being impossible to return to Him void; unavoidable.
     
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    No. I think he was a prophet, a teacher, a yogi, maybe even ‘paramahamsa’ (enlightened, liberated from rebirths) but not God.
     
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    No, because I don't believe in the bible/am not a Christian.
     
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    I thought the Bible refereed to him as "a man born of a women" I understand where your coming from, but doesn't it assume that Jesus was born of a virgin which we now know to be not true.
     
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    Please elaborate as to what kind of word Jesus is. Please quote from Jesus where he said about himself being a word to support one's view. I don't find he ever said as such. Right, please?
    Regards
     
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    Yeah. Ain't we all.
     
  13. Disciple of Jesus

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    This doesn't make sense, as the the incarnation clearly does not mean everything. Merely because a word is used that is used elsewhere does not mean that you use a non-contextual understanding for it's meaning.

    You don't have to be a Christian in order to believe the Bible, however, most would be, I suppose.
     
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    Jesus is a deific part of that Creator aspect

    John 14:6

    Jesus is not like other people, and 'none shall come to the father except through me', actually means that Jesus is part of the equal Godhood.

    Jesus doesn't say some, or sometimes, He says none, shall come to the father, except through Him.
     
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    And what makes this "Bible" an authoritative source on the subject? Aren't there dozens of other religious traditions with completely different takes on God or Gods?

    Judging from the debate thus far, this Bible is not very clear on the matter. I'd expect an authoritative text, certainly one of this import, to be clear, concise and unambiguous. Newton's Principia is clear and concise. My high school Biology textbook was clear and concise. The Bible... not so much -- yet people stake their lives on the various interpretations of its meaning.

    Athena was born from the head of Zeus -- the leader of the Olympian Gods. So Athena must be the Queen of Gods.
    How does this make less sense than your assertion that "the word was made flesh...So Jesus is the Word and also God."
     
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  16. Disciple of Jesus

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    God is Elohim, aside from other personal names. Jesus is the human form of JHVH.

    Jesus and the Father are both 'God'.

    That is merely your incorrect understanding.

    The trinity wasn't invented, it is an explanation or rather representation of the Godhead. This is why they use the word Godhead in the New Testament. Why do you think they used the word Godhead, at all? It clearly is in the Bible, and the church does not inform the belief, although they can explain concepts.
     
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    True. He also said "Follow me". Can't do that unless you're like him.
     
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    Actually, Jesus said believe in me.

    John 3:36

    This does not require to be another Jesus, which you can't, you aren't god, so forth.

    Jesus would not give a nonsensical theological instruction, so you have to read 'follow me', in a theistic context.
    Not all churches understand this, or teach this, so yes, you might be mistaken from wrong teaching.
     
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    That’s the big question, how god connects with humans. I don’t believe that God is so limited that it can only connect via one single human that lived two thousand years ago. The logos dwelling with man is because we are in gods image and because of wisdom/logos bestowed in the garden. God is in the hearts of mankind.

    To take the gospels rather literally is a very crude way of looking at how God can “become” man as if God has to physically come down and impregnate a woman to create a half man half god. The power of God is within everything, within our atoms lie the power of the sun. Jesus can be seen as a way to reach God, a path, a way, the gate to reach “Our Father”.
     
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    Yeah, lots of people don't understand that. Uh huh, wrong teaching, that must be it. :oops:
     
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