Do liberals and atheists honestly think Hitler represents Christianity?

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Hitler's mother was Catholic. His father was an atheist. Adolph was confirmed but NEVER attended a mass. He most certainly was NOT Catholic.

Nope. He most certainly WAS. He said as much, in his personal, private writings which were not made public until after his death.

Since **you** did not create christianity, **you** don't get to make up the rules.

 

[sooda]

Nope. He most certainly WAS. He said as much, in his personal, private writings which were not made public until after his death.

Since **you** did not create christianity, **you** don't get to make up the rules.

Post it here, bob.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I guess you don't know how Popes are chosen.

I do. I want to know if you do.

 

[oldbadger]

But nobody claims that Henry wasn't a Christian because of this fact.


I was actually talking about Elizabeth, who also probably believed in what she was doing.

Hmmmmm......
Were you a Christian ever?
....... in childhood?

The thing is, I think that many folks call themselves Christian, but what really is a Christian?

 

[sooda]

Nope. He most certainly WAS. He said as much, in his personal, private writings which were not made public until after his death.

Since **you** did not create christianity, **you** don't get to make up the rules.

Excerpt:

One of Hitler’s most public shows of solidarity with the Church was the signing of the Nazi-Vatican Concordat in 1933.

“That pact was that the Catholic Church would support Adolf Hitler politically, and Hitler would make sure they had freedom of religion,” Comfort explains. “Hitler in 1933 said wonderful things about Christianity. He even said he hated atheism and wanted to get rid of it in the country, so Hitler was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and he did pull the wool over the Catholic Church.”

So if Hitler wasn’t a Christian himself, why did he go to so much trouble to win the support of the Church?

As one author put it, he knew Christians would interfere with his plans if they were not hoodwinked first.

What you won’t hear in history class is that Hitler wasn’t just out to eliminate the Jews: he wanted to get rid of Christianity as well.

Hitler Youth leader Baldur von Schirach said, “The destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the national socialist movement.”

And Nazi leader Alfred Rosenberg, a member of Hitler’s inner circle, stated at the Nuremberg Congress of 1938, “I am absolutely clear in my own mind, and I think I can speak for the Fuhrer as well, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches must vanish from the life of our people.”

In 1933, the German economy was in freefall, with unemployment over 30 percent. Germany was a nation in need of a savior, and Hitler decided that he would be the one to fill that role.

As Hitler grew more powerful, his religious tolerance disappeared, and he tried to replace Christianity with a new “Reich Church,” a religion in which there was no god but Hitler.

“I think after a while, Hitler begins to believe in Hitler,” says Dr. Anthony Santoro, a history professor at Christopher Newport University.

“Hitler set up a very horrible antichrist system disguised as a Christian church,” adds Comfort.

His fellow Nazis were only too happy to embrace their Fuhrer as Germany’s messiah.



“It is only on one or two exceptional points that Christ and Hitler stand comparably. For Hitler is far too big a man to be compared with one so petty,” said Julius Streicher, the publisher of the Nazi paper Der Sturmer.

Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels said, “Our Fuhrer is the intermediary between his people and the throne of God. Everything the Fuhrer utters is religion in the highest sense.”

And since every religion needs a house of worship, Hitler developed a 30-point plan for the new “National Reich Church,” which was even published by The New York Times in 1942. Among the rules:

• No pastors, chaplains or priests were allowed to speak in church…. only National Reich orators.
• All Bibles and pictures of saints were removed from the church altars and replaced with copies of Mein Kampf.
• The cross was also removed and replaced with the swastika.
• One of the most controversial Reich Church rules involved the Bible.

Although Hitler quoted scripture in many of his early speeches, he later referred to it as “a fairy story invented by the Jews,” and in 1942, the Bible became a banned book in Germany.

“Adolf Hitler hated the Bible,” says Comfort. “He had his own bible printed, 100,000 copies. There are some copies still around, but most of them were destroyed by people who realized what Hitler had done.”

In Hitler’s bible, all Hebrew words like hallelujah were removed. He also replaced the Ten Commandments with twelve of this own. Among them:

• Keep the blood pure and your honor holy.
• Maintain and multiply the heritage of your forefathers.
• Joyously serve the people with work and sacrifice.
• Honour your Fuhrer and Master.

Hitler also wrote his own version of the Lord’s Prayer, to be recited by the Hitler Youth:

“Adolf Hitler, you are our great Fuhrer. Thy name makes the enemy tremble. Thy Third Reich comes; thy will alone is law upon the earth. Let us hear daily thy voice, and order us by thy leadership, for we will obey to the end, even with our lives We praise thee; hail Hitler Fuhrer my Fuhrer, given me by God. Protect and preserve my life for long. You saved Germany in time of need; I thank you for my daily bread; be with me for a long time, do not leave me, Fuhrer my Fuhrer, my faith, my light – hail, my Fuhrer.”

Hitler had his own church, his own bible and even his own hymn, sung every day in German schools:

“Adolf Hitler is our savior, our hero. He is the noblest being in the whole wide world. For Hitler, we live. For Hitler, we die. Our Hitler is our Lord, who rules a brave new world.”

Now that Hitler had set up his own Reich religion, it was time to get rid of the competition. And while his persecution of the Jews was well- known, his “Final Solution” for Christians remained a secret for more than 60 years.

In 2002, a Jewish law student discovered a 120-page report from the 1940s.
It was compiled by members of the OSS, an American spy agency in World War II. The report was called The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches. The documents lay out a step-by-step plan to de-Christianize Germany:

continued

Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? - a report on How Hitler Viewed God - The 700 Club | CBN.com

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hmmmmm......
Were you a Christian ever?
....... in childhood?

I wouldn't say so.

The thing is, I think that many folks call themselves Christian, but what really is a Christian?

It's funny how people don't ever muse like this when we're talking about well-regarded figures. It's only when we're dealing with Christians they want nothing to do with that they start asking what really makes someone a Christian.

 

[oldbadger]

The first edition of "Mein Kampf" suggests that Hitler may once have believed in a young earth: "this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men" (p. 65; the second edition substitutes "millions" for "thousands," and chapter 11 refers to "hundreds of thousands of years" of life in another context.) Other passages further support his creationist leanings:

"The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." (Hitler 1943, p. 383)

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, . . . so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe." (Hitler 1943, p. 214)

No Christianity there
If you can show that Hitler wanted to bring the people to Jesus, evangelising and teaching Christ's message, then you might be right
But I doubt it.

 

[oldbadger]

I wouldn't say so.
.

Were you baptised?
Did you sometimes go to church?
Did you take part in Christian celebrations?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Post it here, bob.

Already done. But I see you still think that ***You** are the Sole Arbiter of who is, and who is not "christian"

I guess god died, and put you in charge, now?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Excerpt:

One of Hitler’s most public shows of solidarity with the Church was the signing of the Nazi-Vatican Concordat in 1933.

“That pact was that the Catholic Church would support Adolf Hitler politically, and Hitler would make sure they had freedom of religion,” Comfort explains. “Hitler in 1933 said wonderful things about Christianity. He even said he hated atheism and wanted to get rid of it in the country, so Hitler was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and he did pull the wool over the Catholic Church.”

So if Hitler wasn’t a Christian himself, why did he go to so much trouble to win the support of the Church?

As one author put it, he knew Christians would interfere with his plans if they were not hoodwinked first.

What you won’t hear in history class is that Hitler wasn’t just out to eliminate the Jews: he wanted to get rid of Christianity as well.

Hitler Youth leader Baldur von Schirach said, “The destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the national socialist movement.”

And Nazi leader Alfred Rosenberg, a member of Hitler’s inner circle, stated at the Nuremberg Congress of 1938, “I am absolutely clear in my own mind, and I think I can speak for the Fuhrer as well, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches must vanish from the life of our people.”

In 1933, the German economy was in freefall, with unemployment over 30 percent. Germany was a nation in need of a savior, and Hitler decided that he would be the one to fill that role.

As Hitler grew more powerful, his religious tolerance disappeared, and he tried to replace Christianity with a new “Reich Church,” a religion in which there was no god but Hitler.

“I think after a while, Hitler begins to believe in Hitler,” says Dr. Anthony Santoro, a history professor at Christopher Newport University.

“Hitler set up a very horrible antichrist system disguised as a Christian church,” adds Comfort.

His fellow Nazis were only too happy to embrace their Fuhrer as Germany’s messiah.



“It is only on one or two exceptional points that Christ and Hitler stand comparably. For Hitler is far too big a man to be compared with one so petty,” said Julius Streicher, the publisher of the Nazi paper Der Sturmer.

Hitler’s propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels said, “Our Fuhrer is the intermediary between his people and the throne of God. Everything the Fuhrer utters is religion in the highest sense.”

And since every religion needs a house of worship, Hitler developed a 30-point plan for the new “National Reich Church,” which was even published by The New York Times in 1942. Among the rules:

• No pastors, chaplains or priests were allowed to speak in church…. only National Reich orators.
• All Bibles and pictures of saints were removed from the church altars and replaced with copies of Mein Kampf.
• The cross was also removed and replaced with the swastika.
• One of the most controversial Reich Church rules involved the Bible.

Although Hitler quoted scripture in many of his early speeches, he later referred to it as “a fairy story invented by the Jews,” and in 1942, the Bible became a banned book in Germany.

“Adolf Hitler hated the Bible,” says Comfort. “He had his own bible printed, 100,000 copies. There are some copies still around, but most of them were destroyed by people who realized what Hitler had done.”

In Hitler’s bible, all Hebrew words like hallelujah were removed. He also replaced the Ten Commandments with twelve of this own. Among them:

• Keep the blood pure and your honor holy.
• Maintain and multiply the heritage of your forefathers.
• Joyously serve the people with work and sacrifice.
• Honour your Fuhrer and Master.

Hitler also wrote his own version of the Lord’s Prayer, to be recited by the Hitler Youth:

“Adolf Hitler, you are our great Fuhrer. Thy name makes the enemy tremble. Thy Third Reich comes; thy will alone is law upon the earth. Let us hear daily thy voice, and order us by thy leadership, for we will obey to the end, even with our lives We praise thee; hail Hitler Fuhrer my Fuhrer, given me by God. Protect and preserve my life for long. You saved Germany in time of need; I thank you for my daily bread; be with me for a long time, do not leave me, Fuhrer my Fuhrer, my faith, my light – hail, my Fuhrer.”

Hitler had his own church, his own bible and even his own hymn, sung every day in German schools:

“Adolf Hitler is our savior, our hero. He is the noblest being in the whole wide world. For Hitler, we live. For Hitler, we die. Our Hitler is our Lord, who rules a brave new world.”

Now that Hitler had set up his own Reich religion, it was time to get rid of the competition. And while his persecution of the Jews was well- known, his “Final Solution” for Christians remained a secret for more than 60 years.

In 2002, a Jewish law student discovered a 120-page report from the 1940s.
It was compiled by members of the OSS, an American spy agency in World War II. The report was called The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches. The documents lay out a step-by-step plan to de-Christianize Germany:

continued

Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? - a report on How Hitler Viewed God - The 700 Club | CBN.com

Nice piece of APOLOGIZING you got there. Unfortunately, none of it is based on FACT.

Ain't that cute? You think a Liar For Jesus is ... credible...

 

[oldbadger]

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It's funny how people don't ever muse like this when we're talking about well-regarded figures. It's only when we're dealing with Christians they want nothing to do with that they start asking what really makes someone a Christian.

I find it funny when people feel determined to show that international size monsters were Christians.
If Hitler had been a Christian then he would have been attempting to bring all people to Jesus.

That just makes your position on this a joke.

 

[sooda]

Nice piece of APOLOGIZING you got there. Unfortunately, none of it is based on FACT.

Ain't that cute? You think a Liar For Jesus is ... credible...

You like the 700 Club?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No Christianity there
If you can show that Hitler wanted to bring the people to Jesus, evangelising and teaching Christ's message, then you might be right
But I doubt it.

that's not what many christians think what it takes to be christian.

Take those who voted for tЯump. In tЯump's speeches, he literally goes against every single thing that Jesus taught and stood for-- most especially being kind to strangers, and taking in the sick, the needy and what-not.

100% the opposite of tЯump, and his travel bans and border walls and gutting programs for the needy.

But all of them? Firmly believe they are Genuine, True Christians™, second only to Jesus himself.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You like the 700 Club?

The 700 club would have been a target of Jesus, had he been both real, and alive today.

Remember that Jesus despised people who made large sums of cash from the poorly educated and the underprivileged. He took whips and chains, to drive capitalists out of his temple.

The 700 club makes most of it's moolah from *exactly* that sort of victim. It's a Capitalist Dream, really -- no actual product to sell, no promises to keep (you have to die, first), AND NO TAXES EITHER.

No, modern Christianity is nothing like what Jesus taught...

 

[ChristineM]

No Christianity there
If you can show that Hitler wanted to bring the people to Jesus, evangelising and teaching Christ's message, then you might be right
But I doubt it.

Until 1937 Hitler ensured the school curriculum included instruction in christian studies, from 1937 it was made an option

 

[sooda]

that's not what many christians think what it takes to be christian.

Take those who voted for tЯump. In tЯump's speeches, he literally goes against every single think that Jesus taught and stood for-- most especially being kind to strangers, and taking in the sick, the needy and what-not.

100% the opposite of tЯump, and his travel bans and border walls and gutting programs for the needy.

But all of them? Firmly believe they are Genuine, True Christians™, second only to Jesus himself.

The Evangelicals LOVE Trump,

Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? - a report on How Hitler Viewed God - The 700 Club | CBN.com

 

[sooda]

The 700 club would have been a target of Jesus, had he been both real, and alive today.

Remember that Jesus despised people who made large sums of cash from the poorly educated and the underprivileged. He took whips and chains, to drive capitalists out of his temple.

The 700 club makes most of it's moolah from *exactly* that sort of victim. It's a Capitalist Dream, really -- no actual product to sell, no promises to keep (you have to die, first), AND NO TAXES EITHER.

No, modern Christianity is nothing like what Jesus taught...

Jesus wasn't teaching Christianity.. He was an observant Jew.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Were you baptised?

Nope.

Did you sometimes go to church?
Did you take part in Christian celebrations?

I attended my ex-wife's church for years to see if I could accept it for myself. No, as it turns out.

Why?

 

[oldbadger]

that's not what many christians think what it takes to be christian.

Take those who voted for tЯump. In tЯump's speeches, he literally goes against every single thing that Jesus taught and stood for-- most especially being kind to strangers, and taking in the sick, the needy and what-not.

100% the opposite of tЯump, and his travel bans and border walls and gutting programs for the needy.

But all of them? Firmly believe they are Genuine, True Christians™, second only to Jesus himself.

That's rather like wicked folks thinking that they are genuinely decent people.

No. Hitler was no Christian. If Hitler had been a true Christian he would have taken communion, prayed before meetings, etc etc, blah blah....

Just a thought......... I don't know, but now wonder whether Hitler's armies had Padres for all the soldiers...... I wonder.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

That's rather like wicked folks thinking that they are genuinely decent people.

No. Hitler was no Christian. If Hitler had been a true Christian he would have taken communion, prayed before meetings, etc etc, blah blah....

I've worked with many Christians and never seen any of them pray before a meeting.

Just a thought......... I don't know, but now wonder whether Hitler's armies had Padres for all the soldiers...... I wonder.

They absolutely did. They even had a Catholic "Field Bishop:"

Franz Justus Rarkowski - Wikipedia