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Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Again ... Hinduism is not a revealed religion, its an eternal religion. By default you're therefore not trying to elevate Hinduism. If you were, you would at least listen to what Hindus are telling you.

It could be your opinion only.
Hinduism is not mentioned in Veda. It is a Post Veda development. Please

IMHO, that is correct. Modern Hinduism is a mix of Vedic religion and the Indigenous religions. That is perfectly OK.

Isn't it a confirmation that in the Post Vedic Period corruption has been made in the concepts of Veda and in the world-view Veda had and the people of Veda Period had? Please
Regards
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Isn't it a confirmation that in the Post Vedic Period corruption has been made in the concepts of Veda and in the world-view Veda had and the people of Veda Period had?
A mix is not a corruption. Like we add sugar or saffron to milk, it enhances the color, taste and benefits of the milk. Like we add Soda to Whiskey, like we add Cococola to Rum. In the same way, Vedic and indigenous religions became even better after the mix to result into modern Hinduism.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
A mix is not a corruption. Like we add sugar or saffron to milk, it enhances the color, taste and benefits of the milk. Like we add Soda to Whiskey, like we add Cococola to Rum. In the same way, Vedic and indigenous religions became even better after the mix to result into modern Hinduism.

"One cup of white milk (250 ml) contains 12 grams of naturally-occurring sugar called lactose. It gives milk a slightly sweet taste. The body breaks lactose down into glucose and galactose (most of which is later converted to glucose). This process is important because glucose is the primary source of energy in the body and the sole energy source for the brain."
ww.albertamilk.com/ask-dairy-farmer/why-does-milk-contain-sugar/

Natural milk is a complete diet, does not need addition of sugar necessarily. Right? Please
Cow milk sugar content % : Milk Sugar (Lactose) 4.6%

Regards
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I do not think my grandsons will like it that way. They need chocolate mix. They need more energy at that age.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Isn't it a confirmation that in the Post Vedic Period corruption has been made in the concepts of Veda and in the world-view Veda had and the people of Veda Period had? Please
Regards

Not a corruption at all, but a process that enabled a mosaic the most diverse, peace loving, deep, inwardly rewarding group of religions still alive on this planet ... to Hindus. We all should be so fortunate!
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Isn't it a confirmation that in the Post Vedic Period corruption has been made in the concepts of Veda and in the world-view Veda had and the people of Veda Period had? Please
Regards

Not corruption. Over time new understanding have developed. In each Age, God comes to give new insight and new lessons for the people and society.

The beauty of Hinduism is that if the core philosophy is understood, it can be applied in many ways. People do not need to follow the same rules or same path in order to reach the same goal. And so you will find that different cultures and even one city to another may have different traditions and rituals.It is not that one is correct and another is incorrect. They are simply different valid methods. This acknowledgement is why Hindus have generally been very peaceful compared with other religious groups. You may notice this same acknowledgement among the Hindu members on this forum. Most of us have different interpretations and forms of worship or different scriptural texts that we read. But most of us respect and encourage those differences in each other. This is part of the nature of Hindu religion.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
If you want something minimal, pure, unadulterated and scientifically accepted, then it is 'Advaita' hinduism (non-duality). No Gods, no prophets, no books, but the whole universe to you.
 

4M17

Member
Did Vedas exist before The Bhagavad Gita ?

Can we summarize from the posts written hitherto in the thread that Veda was first and Bhagvad Gita was a later scripture? Right? Please
Anybody, please
Regards
nopes vedas as mentioned before are eternal knowledge..no one can date their existence, vedas does not mean only the four vedas(rg, sama,yajur & atharva) but it comprises the puranas, itihaasas(Mahabharata - which BG forms part)etc.are Vedic knowledge as well..puranas & itiaasas are termed as the fifth veda by Vyasadeva as per Srimad Bhagavatam & Upanishad..all of them have been put in to written form some 5000 yrs back since due to the influence of kaliyuga, people will no longer be able to remember and understand it only oral reception... but the fact is that they existed prior to that since time immemorial...we'll never be able to date the existence of the vedas since they are eternal as mentioned b4 by Miss Terese
 

4M17

Member
I can summarise it for you. Here you go.
The Vedas are older than the Bhagavad Gita.

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?
nopes, both are eternal ever existing...since in BG itself Krishna told Arjun that He gave this knowledge to the sun god b4 (Vivaswana) and if u calculate that 28th rotation of the 7th Manvartara means over 120millions yrs back & it was existing even b4 that thts y we cannot date them
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
nopes, both are eternal ever existing...since in BG itself Krishna told Arjun that He gave this knowledge to the sun god b4 (Vivaswana) and if u calculate that 28th rotation of the 7th Manvartara means over 120millions yrs back & it was existing even b4 that thts y we cannot date them

Could be, but the main thing is that this vast religion we call Hinduism has many varying schools, and generally we all get along, agreeing to disagree when necessary, accepting other's rights to POVs without unduly or aggressively presenting our own. Those that don't do that fail to see the bigger picture, the broader perspective of Hinduism, the many schools. At this point I'm hesitant to even point out I differ, as I've already been told I'm wrong. Not just holding a different POV, but actually wrong. Hmmmmmmm.
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
nopes vedas as mentioned before are eternal knowledge..no one can date their existence, vedas does not mean only the four vedas(rg, sama,yajur & atharva) but it comprises the puranas, itihaasas(Mahabharata - which BG forms part)etc.are Vedic knowledge as well..puranas & itiaasas are termed as the fifth veda by Vyasadeva as per Srimad Bhagavatam & Upanishad..all of them have been put in to written form some 5000 yrs back since due to the influence of kaliyuga, people will no longer be able to remember and understand it only oral reception... but the fact is that they existed prior to that since time immemorial...we'll never be able to date the existence of the vedas since they are eternal as mentioned b4 by Miss Terese

Not correct. Veda was revealed so it cannot be eternal. Right? Please
Regards
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Not correct. Veda was revealed so it cannot be eternal. Right? Please
Regards

Wrong. Whether they were revealed or not (they weren't, no matter how much you annoyingly and incorrectly try to superimpose your Quranic paradigm on them), they had to have existed previously? Right? So when were they "created"? Surprise! Truth and knowledge have always existed. And what does Veda mean? It means understanding, truth and knowledge.

The Mantra Pushpam, from your oft-quoted and grossly misunderstood Yajur Veda:

om yo'pam pushpam veda
pusphavan prajavan pashuman bhavati
chandramava apam pushpamm
pushpavan prajavan pashuman bhavati
ya evam veda
yo 'pam ayatanam veda
ayatanam bhavati.


He who understands the flowers of water,
He becomes the possessor of flowers, children and cattle.
Moon is the flower of the water,
He who understands this fact,
He becomes the possessor of flowers, children and cattle.
He who knows the source of water,
Becomes established in himself,
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
nopes vedas as mentioned before are eternal knowledge..no one can date their existence, vedas does not mean only the four vedas(rg, sama,yajur & atharva) but it comprises the puranas, itihaasas(Mahabharata - which BG forms part)etc.are Vedic knowledge as well..puranas & itiaasas are termed as the fifth veda by Vyasadeva as per Srimad Bhagavatam & Upanishad..all of them have been put in to written form some 5000 yrs back since due to the influence of kaliyuga, people will no longer be able to remember and understand it only oral reception... but the fact is that they existed prior to that since time immemorial...we'll never be able to date the existence of the vedas since they are eternal as mentioned b4 by Miss Terese

Can Vedas be eternal? That would mean the battles and wars fought, as mentioned in the Vedas were eternal, and there is no place for peace in the Vedas and the world. Right? Please
Regards
 
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