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Featured Did Moses break the tablets with God's law on them?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Remté, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Remté

    Remté Active Member

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    The biblical and the Quranic versions differ. The bible says he was so enraged on returning that he broke the tablets. The Quran doesn't say this. It is clear from the Quran the tablets are not broken. It is said that it would be outragous to claim that Moses would break the tablets. They are from God after all and they have God's law on them and Moses is not a man with a weak nature.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. danieldemol

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    My thought is that you seem to take the account most hagiographic as the most historically accurate. Unfortunately this is not a sound logical manner to arrive at the most reasonable conclusion.

    Anyway just for my knowledge where does it say in the Quran that the plates were not broken?
     
  3. Remté

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    "When Moses came back to his people, angry and grieved, he said: "Evil it is that ye have done in my place in my absence: did ye make haste to bring on the judgment of your Lord?" He put down the tablets, seized his brother by (the hair of) his head, and dragged him to him. Aaron said: "Son of my mother! the people did indeed reckon me as naught, and went near to slaying me! Make not the enemies rejoice over my misfortune, nor count thou me amongst the people of sin."" 6:150

    "When Moses came back to his people, angry and grieved, he said: "Evil it is that ye have done in my place in my absence: did ye make haste to bring on the judgment of your Lord?" He put down the tablets, seized his brother by (the hair of) his head, and dragged him to him. Aaron said: "Son of my mother! the people did indeed reckon me as naught, and went near to slaying me! Make not the enemies rejoice over my misfortune, nor count thou me amongst the people of sin."" 6:154​
     
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  4. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Sorry, just trying to sort the NONSENSE
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    Moses had a temper. He not only broke the tablets but struck the rock twice. (The one where they got the water). Hmmm.
     
  5. danieldemol

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    Interestingly in the Quran’s account Moses seizes His righteous brother Aaron by the hair in the same rage. Dare I suggest as a liberal that the Prophets may have been human after all?
     
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    As a rule of thumb I don't rely on Shiurim by an Arab warlord.
    No one should.
     
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  7. Salvador

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    "AC 1046110453); from the signification of "casting them out of the hand and breaking them," as being to destroy the genuine external sense, thus also to change and make it different (that the external sense of the Word was changed and made different on account of the Israelitish nation, (n. 10453); and from the signification of "Mount Sinai," as being heaven from which is Divine truth (n. 9420). It is said "beneath the mountain," because the external sense of the Word is beneath heaven, whereas the internal sense is in heaven...."

    Spiritual Meaning of EXODUS 32:15-20
     
  8. Subduction Zone

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    Since Moses was a mythical character he can do whatever you want him to do.

    in the comic book world they resolve this by creating different universes for their characters at times.
     
  9. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity I'm n ur cookeez
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    I'm sure my comments on the Quran don't matter much, however on the story of Moses I think its fine to have more than one possible story. We can take both stories and judge in each case what Moses should do, or we can decide what we should have done if it were us. I see no reason not to. My thought (which I have pointed out before) is that the ten commandments are written with the finger, but Adam is formed from clay. Therefore it is reasonable for the tablets to be broken in order to preserve lives.
     
  10. Salvador

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    This scripture in the book of Exodus has a secret coded-text.... The book of Exodus has a inner spiritual meaning; hence, it's not meant to be taken literally.

    Emanuel Swedenborg whom I believe to have been caught in a Matrix glitch was able to crack this hidden code.
     
  11. Subduction Zone

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    That has never been shown to be the case. So called "Bible codes" have been refuted.
     
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    Moses having great respect for God and having value for the tablets dont mean he could not have thrown them down in frustration.

    I value my phone, but one time in a fit of frustration i threw it down and broke it. Afterward i wish i would have laid it down and grabed something less valuable and threw it instead. :p
     
  13. Salvador

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    "One of the most important elements of Swedenborg’s theology is the principle that the Bible has an inner, spiritual meaning encoded within the text. He says that the Bible was never meant to be taken purely or even primarily in a literal sense, and he points out that the text is often confusing or even contradictory if taken literally. Rather, Swedenborg asserts, the Bible should be read as a multilayered description of the spiritual realities within us and in the world beyond."

    Inner Meaning of the Bible – Swedenborg Foundation
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    That seems to say that one can get the Bible to mean whatever one wants it to mean. You need to find something more objective.
     
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    Obviously, nobody could literally trek down Mt. Sinai with 2 heavy tablets. So then, this story of Moses coming down this mountain with these heavy tablets is meant to have some other meaning.
    Right?

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  16. Subduction Zone

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    It is even harder to do so when fictional.
     
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  17. Salvador

    Salvador Conscious Being

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    How do you think some old man, Moses, managed to climb down Mount Sinai with 2 heavy tablets?

    [​IMG]
     
  18. shunyadragon

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    . . . and you believe Jewish warlords?
     
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    Moses as the author of the books in the Bible saying so has said that he did break them.
    It would imply there can be mercy and forgiveness for such sins

    It raises some important other issues. People are broken, fallen creatures and
    even Moses or David are people who are fallen broken needy people, in need of forgiveness
     
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