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Featured Did Moses break the tablets with God's law on them?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Remté, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Tumah

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    No, I use the Hebrew.

    Whether that's true or not doesn't change my point.
     
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    Sorry, self appointed experts in Hebrew are usually not very reliable.
     
  3. Tumah

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    Well that's a convenient bias. On behalf of my religion, please allow me to apologize for teaching our students Jewish texts in their original languages.
     
  4. Subduction Zone

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    It is hardly a bias. It was an observation. That you won't rely on translations done by professionals that not only understand the language but very often the culture of the era as well is very telling. It is far more likely that the experts will get it right rather than you will.
     
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    We start learning to read Biblical Hebrew in like kindergarten or 1st grade and Aramaic in 5th grade. What you are saying is not much better than an appeal to authority. Prove that my translation is wrong and I'll change my mind. Otherwise, you're just grasping at straws.

    I'll do you one even better. Pick whichever translation of the verses in question you want and I will explain the approach the translator took and how it relates to the actual wording in the Hebrew text. Then we can compare it to my reading of the text.
     
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    No, it is a proper appeal to authority. There are times that it is correct to rely on authorities and not amateurs. I do not accept your authority.
     
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    No, it is a proper appeal to authority. There are times that it is correct to rely on authorities and not amateurs. I do not accept your authority.
     
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    So the people who've used Hebrew in their religious texts and studies don't know anything about Hebrew but some non-Jewish "experts" do.

    lmao



    Call me when our God releases special favourable laws just for those who claim to receive prophecy like some Arab warlord did when in reality our most revered Prophet wasn't even allowed to enter Eretz Israel.
     
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    We dont know how heavy the tablets wer.

    We dont know how steep the parts wer that he walked.

    I dont see reason to doubt it though.
     
  10. Subduction Zone

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    No one is claims that the experts are non-Jewish. Your version of God appears to be a myth. There will be no phone call.
     
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    Then explain, how God had Moses to bring another set tablets to him, So God could write down what was on the first set of tablets.

    Exodus 34:1---"And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest"

    Even the Lord God saying Moses broke the first tablets of stone.

    Now as to why did Moses break the first tablets of stone, because the people broke all the laws of God's.

    So God had Moses to bring another set of tablets of stone. So God wrote what was the first tablets of stone, on the second tablets of stone.

    It's obvious the Qu'ran ( Muhammad) are always found in Contradicting God.
     
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    So then, are you suggesting he walked down some bunny slope while he was backpacking light stones?
     
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    Great talk.
     
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    Judaism, Christianity and Islam claim God releases special favorable laws and prophecy that some Kings, rulers and warlords claim exclusiveness for their tribe only.

    I believe Judaism, Christianity and Islam are tribal religions that make similar claims based what they believed in their relationship with God, and the tribal war lords of Judaism and Islam claimed to rule by Divine Right.

    These are problems when any religion claims 'special' Divines rights over others. That is why I do not believe any one ancient religion is relevant to the contemporary world.
     
  15. Remté

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    He didn't in the Quran.
     
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    Then neither should anyone accept your authority in English, or mine, or any native English speaker's apart from whoever wrote the dictionary or something. It's rather funny that you've basically just asserted that you yourself cannot read and understand a book in English enough to explain it to someone who cannot.
     
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  17. Remté

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    What kind do you think Islam claims?
     
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    They were identical to the first tablets.
     
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    Are you aware that the Ten Commandments are present twice? The first time is Exodus 20 and the second is Deuteronomy 5:11.
     
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    Much of the Bible is simply bronze age mythology that shouldn't be taken literally to heart.

    The alleged biblical plagues infesting Egypt would have totally devastated Egypt, yet this devastion of Egypt is never mentioned anywhere outside of the Bible. An Egypt weakened by plagues, death of its firstborn sons, and drowning of its army would have been noticed by its neighbors and such a devastated Egypt likely would have been taken advantage of by one of its neighboring rivals, yet none of that ever happened. Egypt's rivals certainly wouldn't have had an incentive to cover up such disasters to Egypt of biblical proportions.

    The consensus of modern scholars is that the Bible does not give an accurate account of the origins of Israel.

    Reference: Davies, Philip R. (2015). In Search of 'Ancient Israel': A Study in Biblical Origins. Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 9780567662996.

    There is no indication that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt, and the Sinai Peninsula shows almost no sign of any occupation for the entire 2nd millennium BCE (even Kadesh-Barnea, where the Israelites are said to have spent 38 years, was uninhabited prior to the establishment of the Israelite monarchy).

    Reference: Redmount, Carol A. (2001) [1998]. "Bitter Lives: Israel In And Out of Egypt". In Coogan, Michael D. The Oxford History of the Biblical World. OUP.ISBN 9780199881482.

    In contrast to the absence of evidence for the Egyptian captivity and wilderness wanderings, there are ample signs of Israel's evolution within Canaan from native Canaanite roots.

    Reference: Barmash, Pamela (2015b). "Out of the Mists of History: The Exaltation of the Exodus in the Bible". In Barmash, Pamela; Nelson, W. David. Exodus in the Jewish Experience: Echoes and Reverberations. Lexington Books. pp. 1–22.ISBN 9781498502931.

    While a few scholars discuss the historicity, or at least plausibility, of the Exodus story, the majority of archaeologists have abandoned it, in the phrase used by archaeologist William Dever, as "a fruitless pursuit.

    References: Moore, Megan Bishop; Kelle, Brad E. (2011). Biblical History and Israel's Past. Eerdmans. ISBN 9780802862600. Dever, William (2001). What Did the Biblical Writers Know, and When Did They Know It?. Eerdmans. ISBN 3927120375.

    So then, we can agree that the tale of the Jewish Exodus from Egypt and subsequent events of Jews wandering around lost in the desert until reaching their promise land never actually happened . .. Right?


     
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