Did Jesus say he was God???

[Ingledsva]

Jews to this day do not believe in Christ
The reason they want to restore the Kingdom of Christ king Dawood ground on the world, not only in Palestine
This is the reason for rejection of the Jews , or some of them to Christ
Who said ( that his kingdom is not of this world )
Here got separation between Jews in the health and the health of his existence and also

You need to re-read Tanakh. The Jews are not rejected. That is baloney some Christians are teaching.

According to the stories they rebelled, and got punished multiple times, but according to the Bible - The covenant is everlasting.

"Most Jews hold that being the "Chosen People" means that they have been place on earth to fulfill a certain purpose. Traditional proof for Jewish "chosenness" is found in the Torah, the Jewish bible, in the Book of Deuteronomy (chapter 14) where it says: "For you are a holy people to Hashem your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth." In the Book of Genesis (chapter 17) it also written: "And I [G-d] will establish My covenant between Me and you [the Jewish people] and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you."

The "Chosen People" | Jewish Virtual Library

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[Ingledsva]

I believe it is a question of authority. Why would anyone listen to Jesus if He were just another man. I might as well listen to you instead, lol.

Because obviously he was claiming to be a that SPECIAL prophesized man, - anointed by God, - the Messiah.

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

You need to re-read Tanakh. The Jews are not rejected. That is baloney some Christians are teaching.

According to the stories they rebelled, and got punished multiple times, but according to the Bible - The covenant is everlasting.

"Most Jews hold that being the "Chosen People" means that they have been place on earth to fulfill a certain purpose. Traditional proof for Jewish "chosenness" is found in the Torah, the Jewish bible, in the Book of Deuteronomy (chapter 14) where it says: "For you are a holy people to Hashem your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth." In the Book of Genesis (chapter 17) it also written: "And I [G-d] will establish My covenant between Me and you [the Jewish people] and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you."

The "Chosen People" | Jewish Virtual Library

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1 - read the Bible and faith are the conditions of the Christian faith is complete
2. The concept of the chosen people of God with Abraham starch and completed with Moses when he led his people from Egypt to the Promised Land
3. These facts can not be ignored
4. The concept of God in Christianity is linked with the concept of Yahweh in Judaism

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I kept in the Bible with the Bible in my house
Always
I respect him as kindly
Yes ( I am the God ) do not exist independently as text in the Gospel
( God , the Son and the Holy Spirit ) do not exist independently as text in the Gospel
But
2. Christianity is not considered parts of the Trinity
3. Trinity in Christianity is to unite
4. Trinity in Christianity is the embodiment to Jehovah
5. Jehovah who came to Moses in a flame of fire
6. can get us in the human body
7. I hope you read the Bible and how God came to Moses on the mountain when he gave him the Ten Commandments timeless
Christ has added an important commandment of love
Christ declared that God is not a God in a special children of Israel

8. Do not ask you by faith
9. Only even be useful in dialogue

 

[wizanda]

Remove the made up gospel of John and the whole thing collapses.

 

[Ingledsva]

1 - read the Bible and faith are the conditions of the Christian faith is complete
2. The concept of the chosen people of God with Abraham starch and completed with Moses when he led his people from Egypt to the Promised Land
3. These facts can not be ignored
4. The concept of God in Christianity is linked with the concept of Yahweh in Judaism

Judaism and Christianity are two very different religions.

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Remove the made up gospel of John and the whole thing collapses.

Even if canceled the Gospel of John Christian teachings fixed in humanity

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Judaism and Christianity are two very different religions.

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Christian headwaters of the Jewish
Christian linked to Judaism
The following evidence
1. Personal Jesus and the human lineage of Jewish children of the Hebrews Jacob
2. disciples of Christ who took up his teachings to the world's Jews also
3. Christian quoted Jehovah the God of Israel, and especially the people made him a god of humanity
5. Ten Commandments in the Bible itself
2. Faith guessed one of the teachings of Christianity
3. Heaven and Hell are the same in Christianity
4. Christian right is due to the Torah always
5. I believe that Judaism is the main base of Christianity

 

[Ingledsva]

Christian headwaters of the Jewish
Christian linked to Judaism
The following evidence
1. Personal Jesus and the human lineage of Jewish children of the Hebrews Jacob

Jesus (if he even existed) having a Jewish lineage, does not make Jewish and Christian religion the same.

2. disciples of Christ who took up his teachings to the world's Jews also

This is a Christian claim - having nothing to do with Jews.

3. Christian quoted Jehovah the God of Israel, and especially the people made him a god of humanity

My quoting Buddhist literature - would not make me a Buddhist. Nor does quoting YHVH make Christianity have any real connection to Judaism.

5. Ten Commandments in the Bible itself

How would that make the religions the same?

2. Faith guessed one of the teachings of Christianity

I have no idea what you mean here?

3. Heaven and Hell are the same in Christianity

No they aren't. There is no Heaven or Hell in Judaism.

4. Christian right is due to the Torah always

How so? Judaism does not recognize them as having such.

5. I believe that Judaism is the main base of Christianity

They claim it as their starting point, however, they have changed far too much for them to be considered anywhere near the same.

One God, - has become a trinity, with a human as a God.

Jesus did not fulfill the Messiah requirements, - thus the Jews do not accept him.

Sheol, the holding place for ALL the dead, - has become the foreign Christian Hell of torture for sinners.

Christians misunderstood-mistranslated many Tanakh texts, and tried to use them to say they are prophecies of Jesus, etc.

They are two very different religions.

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

2. Yes, the Jews are waiting for Christ ??
But they are waiting for him in the concept last ??
3. They want that Jesus is working to restore the Kingdom of Dawood on earth ??
4. Jesus said ( My kingdom is not of this world )
5. During the life of Christ there was a Jewish political movement struggling to get rid of the Romanian control ??
(According to my information they are called ( the Maccabees ) )

Jesus did not fulfill the Messiah requirements, - thus the Jews do not accept him.

Yes this is true
I know that
please See my previous post

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The difference between the Jews and Jesus got
When Christ said these words ( the kingdom is not of this world )
Got here the difference between a personal Messiah in the Torah
And the present figure of Christ
Jews want to announce the Messiah rule the children of Israel to the world
But Christ jump over this narrow idea
He was able to spread the faith in Jehovah to all over the known world at that historical era

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I'm not talking to you from a political view
And also I'm not too tight with a religious worldview
I look at the results that did Christ
Through the deployment of its teachings
And by some Jews , or Jews who believed in him and followed him
Are these Jews was wrong ??

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I'm not talking to you from a political view
And also I'm not too tight with a religious worldview
I look at the results that did Christ
Through the deployment of its teachings
And by some Jews , or Jews who believed in him and followed him
Are these Jews was wrong ??

We have agreed on the important points of this dialogue
But here remains an important issue
I am a human being living in the twenty-first century
How to see religion ???
Do you see him through the divinity angle only ??
Or to see through the teachings of religion angle ???
I am personally deeply and humbly say
I look at religion through his teachings ??
Yes God faith steady
But how do we know God ?
God knew through the mind ??
Without the mind will not know God ??
How God shall bring ??
God shall bring the teachings that are commensurate with the most important attributes of a loving
If God 's love
Christ said this educatio
So the words of Christ coincided with the words of God
The Torah does not deny these words
The Torah , in essence, is the longing to know God
It is the most beautiful Torah words engraved in the memory
The following are the words of Psalm (as deer longs to water sources, so pants my soul for you, O God )
So to see the match with Christian Jewish man look modest and simple
I wish I could accept these simple words
So you know that the essence of the Jewish faith is God who longs to him soul and spirit
And also Christianity , which says that God came among us
He disclosed that the essence of the Torah us

 

[leibowde84]

I believe it is a question of authority. Why would anyone listen to Jesus if He were just another man. I might as well listen to you instead, lol.

Oh ... I didn't realize that if Jesus did not call himself God that would mean that he wasn't God. Well, I still don't feel that is the case, so I don't think it important whether he actually classified himself as such.

 

[Muffled]

Remove the made up gospel of John and the whole thing collapses.

Although I believe John is more specific, I believe there is enough evidence in the other gospels and the OT prophecies to support it.

 

[wizanda]

Although I believe John is more specific, I believe there is enough evidence in the other gospels and the OT prophecies to support it.

Where is there evidence in the synoptic gospels or Tanakh?

 

[Muffled]

Where is there evidence in the synoptic gospels or Tanakh?

I believe one is Matthew and his reference to the prophecy of the birth of Immanuel in Isaiah.

 

[wizanda]

I believe one is Matthew and his reference to the prophecy of the birth of Immanuel in Isaiah.

Immanuel means 'God is with us', so that doesn't make him God.... God is known as the lord of hosts, thus God's spirit was within him; as it can be the same within any of us.

 

[Ingledsva]

I believe one is Matthew and his reference to the prophecy of the birth of Immanuel in Isaiah.

Except that Immanuel is Isaiah's son, not a prophecy of some future Jesus.

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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Immanuel means 'God is with us', so that doesn't make him God.... God is known as the lord of hosts, thus God's spirit was within him; as it can be the same within any of us.

This is an important point
There is a difference between God is with us , or God attended us
The presence of God requires special conditions
The Torah bother with these conditions
Because the terms of the presence of Jehovah's task was
The Bible speaks of those conditions and the most important of holiness
This requirement was fully in the body of Christ
It is holiness
So God came among us in the Body of Christ
The Incarnation is in the Torah
Jehovah came to Moses on the mountain
That is why the presence of God in the Body of Christ
Judaism is a summary of which was completed in the most important attribute of a loving God