Frankly I don't want either on the ticket. Both parties can nominate better options.
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Democracy is in trouble in America
- Thread starter Truthseeker
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I held my nose and voted for Hilary in 2016, so obviously not improbable.
Funny, because that's how I view the things you say.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
In addition today in a poll today from the Washington Post reported by the Guardian:
The Post reported: “A majority continue to say that violence against the government is never justified – but the 62% who hold that view is a new low point, and a stark difference from the 1990s, when as many as 90% said violence was never justified.”
The Post reported: “A majority continue to say that violence against the government is never justified – but the 62% who hold that view is a new low point, and a stark difference from the 1990s, when as many as 90% said violence was never justified.”
Well that seems like a universal thing lol
But we have no choice but to at least show up at voting booths. How many actually vote, I’m not sure of the exact numbers.
I certainly remember “trolling” on my voter slip a few times as a teenager though.
In saying that our politics, whilst can be flamboyant at times, aren’t the US style. For better or worse
You know I heard a lot of folks (apparently from both sides) lament how Bernie was sabotaged.
If I may ask, why did you support Bernie?
If you don’t mind me saying so, I figured you to be somewhat conservative. If I’m mistaken, then I do apologise. The politics of some Americans I interact with are sometimes hard for me to get a firm grasp of.
Lost in translation maybe?
There is no political party here that really represents my views. I'm anti-corporate power, against money worship and materialism/consumerism, skeptical of "free market" capitalism but believe in strong borders/immigration controls, tradition, religion and upholding culture. I would fit better in the European populist right. So I just vote for whoever's views or values align mostly with mine, give or take.
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Until the minority votes for trump and he's president. That got voters motivated.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
My point is he was certified to win. Of course he thought he won. The system worked to some extent then, though the Supreme Court seemed to act in a political way, but we'll never know for sure if their considerations were political. Gore conceded the presidency to Bush, though he disagreed with the Supreme Court decision.
Gabbard never got adequate voter support to be nominated. She was an oddity that many conservative men were attracted to. I don't remember why they liked her.
Because she had good ideas that crossed political boundaries. Of course she didn't have "adequate voter support" because they didn't even let her speak or be heard. They just dangle corporate puppets, with special interest money backing them, before us. So instead of a young-ish mixed race Hindu combat vet in the Army, we got another old *** decrepit establishment white man to give us more of the same that the neocons and neoliberals always give us.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That was expected LONG before the actual election. Nothing surprising about it all that it actually happened for such a high profile election.
Well the candidates that have more public support tend to get more attention. That's just how democracy works. She was too far right for democrats. Bernie has been too far left.
Well this is cynical. Moderates or centrists tend to get the nominations on the democrat side. Obama was centrist. Hilary was centrist Biden is centrist. That's the trend.
Reagan was centrist. Bush was centrist. McCain was centrist. Romney was centrist. Trump is corrupt and a manipulative conman.
And all the investigations have found nothing wrong which does not stop the attempt to steal the next election by the right.
Technically, all those people were right-wing, and most of the people you mentioned were warmongers, war criminals, beholden to the billionaire class and love to throw more poor people in prison for petty crimes, while generally shredding the Constitution and grabbing more power for themselves and their cronies. But you go ahead and believe Bush, Biden, Reagan, McCain, Obama, Clinton, etc. are "moderate" or "centrist". I guess Marie Antoinette was, too, when she said "let them eat cake". Lol.
I think they’re all corrupt and manipulative. Granted I tend to be cynical towards politicians in general so.
But what makes those guys centrists?
Maybe this is another lost in translation thing for me. But to my eyes they are very very conservative hard right leaning folks
And be as ill as you like so long as you pay the medical bills
PureX
Veteran Member
No, it was because the system failed under all the pressure to cheat (by both political parties) and so was over-ridden by the Supreme Court. Bush was not elected president. He was appointed by the court. And in fact, when the votes were finally counted, he had lost the election.
But the loss of democracy in the U.S. is not being caused by the attempts to restrict voting. It's mostly been caused by the Supreme Court allowing the legalized bribery of politicians via all kinds of campaign contributions and perks from corporations and organizations with self-serving agendas.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think the real voters are corporations, now declared as 'people'. Once lobbying and special interest took hold, the democratic republic essentially was executed.
When modern politictions say, "The American people", they don't mean you or me.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
So, Bush was made President by your Supreme Court?
How..odd.
Interestingly I saw repeated calls for that to happen for Trump.
Just an observation