Define Child Porn

[DallasApple]

I don't, but I don't have a fully developed legal system for teens worked out either. I'd be happy with folks understanding that if a person can vote, join the military, and/or get married and have kids at age 18 they should be able to have a beer, wine or cocktail without the nannystate breathing down their neck. It the government can't trust 20 year olds to act like adults they are surely not going to consider teens anything more than tall children.

I had a baby..a full time job..bought a house(had a mortgage) ..was married owned stock on the Nasdaq (Microsoft and Intel) and I wasnt allowed to drink.(legally)

Love

Dallas

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I had a baby..a full time job..bought a house(had a mortgage) ..was married owned stock on the Nasdaq (Microsoft and Intel) and I wasnt allowed to drink.(legally)

At age 19 I was running two family businesses while my parents were on the other side of the United States. I did all the payroll, the inventory, worked a shift, everything. One of those businesses was a bar. Then in the late 80's the Federal Government told Louisiana that we had to change the drinking age or lose all highway funds. I was grandfathered so it wasn't suddenly illegal for me to be in the bar that I had been successfully running for a year but since our demographic was 18 to 20 year old college students we went under. Stupidest law I ever heard of.

 

[DallasApple]

At age 19 I was running two family businesses while my parents were on the other side of the United States. I did all the payroll, the inventory, worked a shift, everything. One of those businesses was a bar. Then in the late 80's the Federal Government told Louisiana that we had to change the drinking age or lose all highway funds. I was grandfathered so it wasn't suddenly illegal for me to be in the bar that I had been successfully running for a year but since our demographic was 18 to 20 year old college students we went under. Stupidest law I ever heard of.

That SUCKS!!..I wasnt even runing a bar.I couldnt order a strawberry daiguiri..But I could sure damn well pay my mortgage payment ON TIME!

You know how humiliating that is????

Love

DAllas

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Child Porn - Children looking at porn. They should make that a lesson at school.

 

[Storm]

What would be the difference, legally, between someone who is a "child" and someone who is a "teen" if you were the one to create the new classification?

He wants to know the details of how you would treat teens legally concerning sex and pornography. What each law would entail and how it would be enforced.

Ah, ok.

Well, for one thing it would take into account that teens are sexually mature(ing) and prone to experiment. I think laws addressing pedophilia should address pedophilia exclusively, as opposed to including pederasty. OTOH, I'd raise the minimum age to participate in works of pornography.

 

[Mister Emu]

Well, for one thing it would take into account that teens are sexually mature(ing) and prone to experiment.

Mind if I ask how it would take that into account?

I think laws addressing pedophilia should address pedophilia exclusively, as opposed to including pederasty.

Is not pederasty generally homosexual pedophilia?

OTOH, I'd raise the minimum age to participate in works of pornography.

That is interesting... somewhere in 19-21? More?

 

[Storm]

Mind if I ask how it would take that into account?

Like Trey, I haven't a fully developed legal code kicking around in my head. But I do know that current laws are frequently draconian, and kids are having their lives ruined for normal screwing around. That's got to stop.

Perhaps lowering the age of consent to 16, with exceptions for being within 2 years of age. Isn't that how Canada does it?

Is not pederasty generally homosexual pedophilia?

*winces* No, absolutely no. There's no such thing as homosexual pedophilia. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to and activity with prepubescent children, and most pedophiles have no gender preference. Pederasty is an adult and a physically mature youth, regardless of gender combination. All that "barely legal" porn? That caters to pederasts.

That is interesting... somewhere in 19-21? More?

21, at a minimum. Maybe more like 25. (Somewhat off-topic, I also think the dreinking age should be lowered.)

 

[Mister Emu]

Like Trey, I haven't a fully developed legal code kicking around in my head. But I do know that current laws are frequently draconian, and kids are having their lives ruined for normal screwing around. That's got to stop.

Perhaps lowering the age of consent to 16, with exceptions for being within 2 years of age. Isn't that how Canada does it?

Hmm... that is the age of consent in several states in the U.S.(for what it is worth, I'm quite glad you didn't propose lowering the age of consent to 14, which quite honestly, is where I thought this might be heading, with the "14 year olds aren't children" stuff)

*winces* No, absolutely no. There's no such thing as homosexual pedophilia. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to and activity with prepubescent children, and most pedophiles have no gender preference. Pederasty is an adult and a physically mature youth, regardless of gender combination. All that "barely legal" porn? That caters to pederasts.

Oh no, I think I misconstrued what I was saying... I meant that I thought pederasty was sexual interactions between a male and a minor male...(thus homosexual in nature), not that it refered to people who were exclusively homosexual in their pedophilia...

I've looked it up and, dictionary.com for instance, agreed with me, which is what must have caused the confusion...

 

[Storm]

Hmm... that is the age of consent in several states in the U.S.(for what it is worth, I'm quite glad you didn't propose lowering the age of consent to 14, which quite honestly, is where I thought this might be heading, with the "14 year olds aren't children" stuff)

Well, I don't think a 16 year old who sleeps with his 14 year old girlfriend should be criminalized, either.

Oh no, I think I misconstrued what I was saying... I meant that I thought pederasty was sexual interactions between a male and a minor male...(thus homosexual in nature), not that it refered to people who were exclusively homosexual in their pedophilia...

I've looked it up and, dictionary.com for instance, agreed with me, which is what must have caused the confusion...

Well, I could be wrong about the genders, but I do know that the youth in pederasty is post-pubescent. I'll check Wiki and get back to you.

Pederasty or paederasty is portmanteau of the Greek prefix pedo, referring to child, and -erasty, a derivative of the Greek word referring to erotic love, eros. The term refers to an erotic relationship between an adolescent child and an adult outside his immediate family. A common conception is that pederasty only refers to erotic relationships between a boy and a man. Pederasty has existed from earliest times through a variety of customs and practices within different cultures. Pederasty has been criminalized at various times in history, and today its legal status in most countries is determined by whether or not the boy has reached the local age of consent.
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OK, so we were both right.

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[gnomon]

Hmm..I wondered why they termed it "male minor"??

Oh well..

Love

Dallas

All they provide are statistics such as age, date of conviction, victim status which says male or female and in parenthesis minor.

The incest case with the 15 year old was with a female (minor). Actual age of victims in all cases is unknown. Still don't want to know the details.

 

[Falvlun]

For those that believe 14 year olds are not children, if you had your way, what would that mean legally?

I was thinking something along the lines that a 14 year old could consent to sexual acts with others in their age group-- this hypothetical intermediate group (I would have it containing the ages 14-17). But I think the two year rule might work even better, or perhaps, could be used in addition to the group thing, and that way 17 year olds don't get screwed.

OTOH, I'd raise the minimum age to participate in works of pornography.

Why? I would think 18 is old enough to decide whether you wanted to do that or not. If you are old enough to vote and old enough to shoot a gun in a war, then you should be old enough to make the decision to sell naked pictures of yourself.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

More in the news...

Hang-up for ‘sexting’ boys
Six middle-schoolers may face kid porn rap

By Aaron Gouveia & Jessica Heslam / Cape Cod Times & Boston Herald
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 -

FALMOUTH - Six middle school students could face child porn charges after a boy took a nude photo of his 13-year-old girlfriend and “sexted” it to his pals’ cell phones, cops said.

The six boys, ages 12 to 14, will be summoned to Falmouth District Court for a hearing to determine whether they should be charged with possessing, exhibiting or distributing child porn in the form of a text message photo, according to The Cape Cod Times.

Wendy Murphy, who lectures on sex crimes at the New England School of Law, said “sexting” almost has become an “epidemic.” Murphy said, “I know it seems heavy-handed to bring child porn charges. Law enforcement is using the only tool it has for what has become a huge problem nationwide.”

Columbia University Professor Sari Locker said surveys suggest one in five teens has sent or received nude or semi-nude pictures. “When boys receive a nude picture of a girl, they think the next time they see her they can go further with her in a sexual way than before,” she said. “It becomes an invitation to advance a sexual relationship.” But Locker said she believes criminal charges are excessive: “Clearly these boys are not sexual predators or pedophiles."