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questfortruth

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The thing I find interesting about "dark" matter (and energy) is that it exists in our universe, and yet it doesn't. It's like a shadow of reality, within reality. Reminding us just what a profound mystery existence really is.
It will be impossible for technically minded mainstream physicists to come to the right conclusion.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It will be impossible for technically minded mainstream physicists to come to the right conclusion.
Well, those folks know better than to come to any 'conclusions'. They develop theories, that remain theories. And their theories either 'work' or they don't within the observed results of the various experiments we devise to test them.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Well, those folks know better than to come to any 'conclusions'. They develop theories, that remain theories. And their theories either 'work' or they don't within the observed results of the various experiments we devise to test them.
If to solve the Dark Matter problem is to admit the existence of God and angels (like my solution does in 4 coinciding ways!), they will never solve the problem.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
God is made of the mysterious element, "Doesn't Matter"

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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
No, "doesn't matter" not even an angel. Even angels must act gravitationally. According to my paper,

The question is whether they can be detected. The only reason they couldn't be detected is if they have no provable effect on the universe.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
The question is whether they can be detected. The only reason they couldn't be detected is if they have no provable effect on the universe.
There are no detectors of things, which have only a gravitational effect. No local, direct contact detection.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
MY CONTRIBUTION:

This is a game where a virtual monster (Pokemon) is combined with a picture of our world. This is a mixture of the actual world (what we see: a girl, boyfriend, parents) and the virtual (which we do not see, and even our underground detectors [specially designed for the search for Dark Matter candidates] do not feel, do not react).

Living visible matter - people, animals, artificial animals (latter is Artificial Intellect).

Non-living visible matter - stones, rocks, ice.

Non-living invisible matter - dark matter.

Living invisible matter - the human soul, angels.

Let's talk PokemonGo. This is not a mixture of the actual world and the virtual world. This is a picture of a place the world added into virtual space. There is no mixing of the two. Once the picture is taking the programmer can alter it however they wish because what they are working with is now a virtual image. They can change the color, delete part of it, add cartoon characters it's all virtual. They don't in this case to fool us into believing it is the real world. It's called emersion. To make you feel like you are interacting with something that is real.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Let's talk PokemonGo. This is not a mixture of the actual world and the virtual world. This is a picture of a place the world added into virtual space. There is no mixing of the two. Once the picture is taking the programmer can alter it however they wish because what they are working with is now a virtual image. They can change the color, delete part of it, add cartoon characters it's all virtual. They don't in this case to fool us into believing it is the real world. It's called emersion. To make you feel like you are interacting with something that is real.
I argue, that Dark Matter is virtual reality. The galaxies - actual reality. We live in a mixture of virtual reality and ordinary reality, made by highly advanced beings.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
There are no detectors of things, which have only a gravitational effect. No local, direct contact detection.

What we use to detect something that is real is how it affects another object in the physical universe. The only way it couldn't be detected is if it affects no other object in the physical universe. Gravity can be detected by its effect on other objects.

Sure it is possible that lots of objects do exist, angels, gods, subatomic particles which have no effect on the physical universe. Ok great but since they don't have any effect on the physical universe, we not have to worry about them. They can go about their business and the physical universe doesn't care.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
What we use to detect something that is real is how it affects another object in the physical universe. The only way it couldn't be detected is if it affects no other object in the physical universe. Gravity can be detected by its effect on other objects.

Sure it is possible that lots of objects do exist, angels, gods, subatomic particles which have no effect on the physical universe. Ok great but since they don't have any effect on the physical universe, we not have to worry about them. They can go about their business and the physical universe doesn't care.
Gravity is not a force, thus, it can not be detected locally. Angels act only by gravity.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I argue, that Dark Matter is virtual reality. The galaxies - actual reality. We live in a mixture of virtual reality and ordinary reality, made by highly advanced beings.

The virtual reality that we know of, that we interact with can be detected. The information is physical particles. These physical particles are caused to interact with other particles to create an interface you can interact with(see). Virtual reality is entirely physical, based on physics, can be and is dectable. If it weren't it would be of no use to us.

So if angels are detectable, great. Let's start detecting them. If they are not, then they can be safely ignored.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Gravity is not a force, thus, it can not be detected locally. Angels act only by gravity.

I assume you mean gravity is not detectable except through its interaction with other objects. Nothing is really. We just take some of this detection for granted because it directly interacts with one of our five senses.

What is gravity really? Gravity is the detection of interaction between two objects that have mass.

So what I hear you saying is that Angels act only through the detection of interaction between two objects of mass. Therefore since it is possible to detect the interaction between two objects of mass, angels exist.

You said gravity is not a force. Yes, gravity is not a force, it is an observation.
 

MJ Bailey

Member
Angels don't need gravity, or dark matter to assure existence. Existence is nothing more than is needed for any individual. Regardless Atheist, Christian, Jewish , Islamic; there is an aspect of existing in which the substation of reasoning grants existence for warrant of earned.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The thing I find interesting about "dark" matter (and energy) is that it exists in our universe, and yet it doesn't. It's like a shadow of reality, within reality. Reminding us just what a profound mystery existence really is.
That much is true.

Dark matter is only just a placeholder term until we know more about it. That's the exciting part. Finding out more.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Because dark matter has not yet been observed directly, if it exists, it must barely interact with ordinary baryonic matter and radiation, except through gravity. Most dark matter is thought to be non-baryonic; it may be composed of some as-yet-undiscovered subatomic particles. The primary candidate for dark matter is some new kind of elementary particle that has not yet been discovered, in particular, weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPs). Many experiments to directly detect and study dark matter particles are being actively undertaken, but none have yet succeeded.

I do not think that dark matter and dark energy exist. This is why they cannot be seen in the lab. These concepts appear to be simple bandaids, that have been added, so existing theory does not have to be more heavily revised.

The main reason for this predicament is due to the concepts of relative motion and relative reference. In other words, if there is no absolute reference and only relative references, how do you close the universal energy balance? It will be different for each relative reference, but unique only if reference is absolute. Energy Conservation and a universal energy balance needs an absolute reference.

Let me illustrate this conceptual problem with an example. Say there is a train approaching a station. There is also a man sitting at the station, waiting for the train. To pass the time, the man assumes that motion and reference is relative. He assumes he is the one who is moving, and the moving train is stationary.

This may appear visually true to the man, based on what he sees. However, if we do an energy balance, a train in motion, has way more kinetic energy, than a man in motion, if both are moving at the same relative velocity. A train weighs hundreds or thousands of tons and all define way more energy for the same velocity.

If the man insists that his relative reference is valid, he will be short the universal energy balance by a lot of energy, since his relative reference will not take into account the train's huge kinetic energy. His assumption will zero that out. He cannot destroy energy that way. This essentially what happened in astral physics, due to the idea of relative motion. Dark energy and Dark matter are needed to close the energy balance, due to the wrong choice of relative reference, as other data adds more energy, than expected to the universal energy balance.

This problem in astral physics is an artifact of the type of data we collect from the universe. Nearly 100% of the data we get from the universe is based on some type of energy emissions. These range from radio waves to gamma rays and all in between. This type of data limits us to only the sense of sight; eyes and sight based machines for other wavelengths. Einstein warned that this will make reference appear relative. Science cannot use any other sense, such as touch, by default. There is no sensory checks and balance. The kinetic energy of the train cannot be determined with the sense of sight alone. However, that one sense does allow the man to make his claim at the station.

If you were on the train, you would "feel" force as you go around corners. You would "feel" acceleration as you start and deceleration as you slow. You may also feel the friction of the wheels and the shimmy of the train over the less than perfect track. These are all secondary sensory clues; touch, that would tell you the train is moving, The man at the station will not feel anything, similar. He can only see the relative motion.

This second sense gives us an absolute hierarchy of motion; train is moving, that can better close the energy balance.The one sense default of astral science; sight only, has fooled astral physics, to position itself into a relative reference corner. The energy balance became too low from that relative reference corner and needed these two bandaids as news data appeared.

In the case of the man at the station, if I told him that the total kinetic of the system; man plus train, used 5000 liters of fuel, he would need to theorize some form of invisible energy or energy void, if he wishes to maintain his insistence of being the one moving. He did not use that fuel so it had to go somewhere else. The person on the train, who both saw and felt motion, does not have to do anything.

I have pointed this out in science and physics forums. There is no rebuttal, but also no change in the theory. There is too much invested to worry about the truth. But also, they do not know how to fix it based on the only having hone sense data that is almost entirely visual. They cannot touch galaxies or quasars. There is way to fix this.
 
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