Corporal punishment

[mikkel_the_dane]

Hitting doesn't work for anyone.

I think you have a weird idea about what spanking is, if you don't think it counts as physical violence.
Do we spank adults? Nope. We can't even treat dogs that way anymore. Why spank kids then? Why teach them it's okay to hit people?

You didn't address my questions ...

Why do you think that hitting children instills respect for authority? Why do you equate hitting with discipline? Are you not aware of the much more effective methods of discipline available to parents?

Do you want one psychological hypothesis on that? Okay, but PM me, since it is not allowed under the rules of this site out in the open.

 

[Vinayaka]

I was thinking more on the line of specific child rearing advise given anywhere in our griha sutras.

But you are correct. Ahimsa is a fundamental principle and any social change that moves us towards this is welcome.

The degree to which corporal punishment is used in India, Malaysia, and elsewhere where Hinduism thrives is ridiculous. There needs to be a massive retraining.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You seem to be under the false impression that violence is the only form of correction.

from https://www.naturalchild.org/articles/research/corporal_punishment.html

The effect of using violence to a child as a tool to get what you want is that they learn that violence is an option.

So the ones with rare spankings did the best. Kinda like I would expect. Severe abuse is going to hold anything back as I would expect.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I disagree. I can certainly think of situations where I would hit an adult.

And what does Christ say about that?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And what does Christ say about that?

Well, my Christian regimental soldier priest used to bless us and our weapons with which we should kill the enemy.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That you can't break into a house with a strong man inside... and that if you need a sword you should sell your coat and get one.
He also knocked down a whole battalion of soldiers by looking at them.

 

[Heyo]

So the ones with rare spankings did the best. Kinda like I would expect. Severe abuse is going to hold anything back as I would expect.

Nope.
You can't deduce that from the graph. There are too few with "no spanking" (but they occur only the best performers). What can be deduced is the tendency that the less violence is involved, the better the performance.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you want one psychological hypothesis on that? Okay, but PM me, since it is not allowed under the rules of this site out in the open.

I'm a psychology major, so I'm good. But thanks.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nope.
You can't deduce that from the graph. There are too few with "no spanking" (but they occur only the best performers). What can be deduced is the tendency that the less violence is involved, the better the performance.

Yes, the less violence, not the lack of spanking...as the graph indicates. Obviously corporal punishment that is rare and not extreme is actually better than no discipline.

 

[Heyo]

Yes, the less violence, not the lack of spanking...as the graph indicates. Obviously corporal punishment that is rare and not extreme is actually better than no discipline.

How did you conclude that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, the less violence, not the lack of spanking...as the graph indicates. Obviously corporal punishment that is rare and not extreme is actually better than no discipline.

Nobody is, or has advocated for "no discipline." Why do you keep saying this?

Oh, I know why. Because you equate "discipline" with physical punishment only and don't seem to realize the myriad other more effective methods of discipline that are available.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm a psychology major, so I'm good. But thanks.

What schools of psychology?
Forget it. It is off topic.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So the ones with rare spankings did the best. Kinda like I would expect. Severe abuse is going to hold anything back as I would expect.

Actually the ones with none did the best, as they were the only ones to only be in high performance. If your theory was correct that no physical striking 'spoils' then they wouldn't have consistently preformed so high.

Striking children doesn't instill discipline, it instills their parents have low emotional regulation.

 

[Vinayaka]

Actually the ones with none did the best, as they were the only ones to only be in high performance. If your theory was correct that no physical striking 'spoils' then they wouldn't have consistently preformed so high.

Striking children doesn't instill discipline, it instills their parents have low emotional regulation.

The ultimate key in all of this is to instill (teach) self-discipline, as then there is no longer any need for society or parents to do it. The abuser in corporal punishment clearly has little self-discipline.

 

[Wildswanderer]

How did you conclude that?

The largest section in professionals is "rare" then the next largest is "moderate."

 

[Heyo]

The largest section in professionals is "rare" then the next largest is "moderate."

Let me guess, statistics wasn't your favourite subject?
That's not how this works. You have to set the sections in relation to the sum of all sections and you can't just look at the top section. With "no spanking" you may become a professional or start college. With "rare" spankings you also have a (smaller) chance of becoming a high school drop out or juvenile delinquent.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Let me guess, statistics wasn't your favourite subject?
That's not how this works. You have to set the sections in relation to the sum of all sections and you can't just look at the top section. With "no spanking" you may become a professional or start college. With "rare" spankings you also have a (smaller) chance of becoming a high school drop out or juvenile delinquent.

No matter how you slice it, it looks like rare and moderate have the most positives.

 

[rational experiences]

In the past men of science as the machine destroyed space gods corporeal body.

By their just a human choice. As a group of just human men who agree

Not like our origin first human father.. type the adult man human.

Instead of them claiming my adult man life came from sperm ovary baby. He said I came from clouds mass. So began to destroy natural biology by his choice.

So we legally said no man is God..the God or a god corporeal body.

He ignored everyone. Began destroying all different life forms and body types by his machine.

Is why corporal punishment was first introduced. As men who claim a machine is more important than anything natural.

When you endure torment and torture by that man groups choice. Only then do you agree with the same for him.

Legal in life said the status law was enforced. Yet as it was indirect causes took to make it direct and karmic inherited. The law.

As father hadn't murdered anyone first its natural not to agree with murder. However if you were the victim you might suddenly change your own view.

As no human ever responsibly spoke on behalf of any victim murdered is the position you lie about.

It's why consciously you say how can a murder victim claim self innocence.

You however cannot make the same claim about the murderer.

It's why judging the case was established as a humans rights. We all know victims in crimes can also be lied about.

Yet if you do an assessment if a victim was falsely accused...as compared to all those guilty....choices are made by consensus.

Most humans jailed only needed proper family life schooling emotional support.

Family life taken away by rich men science brother historic. To be under his controls.

You assess how many few and very basic choices of those men has murdered millions upon millions of family victims.

Then realise your argument is moot.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Times, they are a-changing. The wiki article shows when various countries abolished it completely. What is your religion's take on it? What about your country? How about you personally?

Corporal punishment - Wikipedia

Spanking is allowed in my country. It is defined as an open hand to the buttox. When I was a kid, my dad always gave me a choice between a half hour time out in my room or a spanking. I chose the spanking every time -- being apart from familly just seemed like too much.