Conundrum for the Democrat Establishment

[esmith]

I am so old I remember when Jimmy "The Christian" Carter lost to a divorced Hollywood movie star, because Christians didn't want Christian values in the government.
That's also when I realized that the USA isn't a democracy when it comes to the POTUS.

Well I remember watching President Eisenhower inauguration on TV, and Carter didn't lose to Regan because of your opinion. Carter lost the election due to the Iran hostage situation, a worsening economy marked by high unemployment and inflation and the Democrats dissatisfaction with Jimmy

 

[columbus]

Well I remember watching President Eisenhower inauguration on TV, and Carter didn't lose to Regan because of your opinion.

I know.
Carter lost because Christians didn't want some Christian in the White House. They preferred a rich movie star that the Iranians liked. And they got him.

That was also when I realized that the USA isn't a democracy. The American people don't elect our top leader, state legislatures appoint him.

Carter lost the election due to the Iran hostage situation,

I'm sure that the Iranians regret helping the Reagan/Bush administration start the huge war against Iran. They were noobs at realpolitik. A million or so people died and Iran was set back decades. But they did pick it.
They helped a Republican get into office instead of the Christian.

Oops for everyone.
Tom

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Yes.
Both.

I am so old I remember when Jimmy "The Christian" Carter lost to a divorced Hollywood movie star, because Christians didn't want Christian values in the government.
That's also when I realized that the USA isn't a democracy when it comes to the POTUS.


Dang.
Yes.
I believe that in 2015, Billary owned the Democrats. They allowed Comrade Sanders to jump onto the Democratic bandwagon, and gave him a card, because they knew that he couldn't even win the Democratic primaries. But Comrade Sanders could float some political balloons, about health care and education and such, before Godzillary took on whoever won the Republican primaries. She could take the most promising socialist ideas and make them her own and run with them.

And yes,
I think that the Democratic party knew that Trump was easy to beat, which they did.

But they got so overconfident that they tried to flip states, instead of locking in states, and Putin/Trump/Pence wound up in the White House.

That's what I think happened. The party of Clinton got overconfident and got cooked by the party of Putin.
Tom


ETA ~And I fully expect the same thing to happen again in 2020.
People who don't want Trump will stay home or "vote their conscience", and Trump will be elected(for once). While everybody else behaves like cats in a bag, Trump will march to victory. That's what I expect from the people who oppose Trump. Finding reasons to vote for him while pretending that they didn't.~

Thanks, well said. I especially agree with you on that last point.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Interesting. I didn't say that comrade Bernie couldn't win, I said he had a slim chance to win.

If he is nominated, I think it is possible that he will wind like up McGovern.

It is all speculative monkey business, till the future, is now.

Thanks. Agree it is speculative and far be it from me to attempt to speculate in a post 2016 world.

 

[esmith]

I know.
Carter lost because Christians didn't want some Christian in the White House. They preferred a rich movie star that the Iranians liked. And they got him.

That was also when I realized that the USA isn't a democracy. The American people don't elect our top leader, state legislatures appoint him.


I'm sure that the Iranians regret helping the Reagan/Bush administration start the huge war against Iran. They were noobs at realpolitik. A million or so people died and Iran was set back decades. But they did pick it.
They helped a Republican get into office instead of the Christian.

Oops for everyone.
Tom

In what part of the universe do you see that Iran helped Regan win the election other than taking over the US Embassy?

 

[columbus]

In what part of the universe do you see that Iran helped Regan win the election

The part where the Iranians kept the USA embassy staff under lock and key until Reagan/Bush got into the White House. Then released them as soon as the Republicans took the White House.

Weren't you politically aware of anything in 1980?

I was in my teens, and even I could see this happening in real time.
Tom

 

[esmith]

The part where the Iranians kept the USA embassy staff under lock and key until Reagan/Bush got into the White House. Then released them as soon as the Republicans took the White House.

Weren't you politically aware of anything in 1980?

I was in my teens, and even I could see this happening in real time.
Tom

Well let see, in 1980 I was completing my 19 year in the service so I think I had a little more experience that you.
So, you are saying that the Iranians kept the hostages because they figured by keeping the hostages Carter wouldn't be reelected. I am saying that when Regan became President they knew he wouldn't put up with their crap like Carter did so release them before the sh** hit the fan. Just what benefit do you think the Iranians thought they could get from Regan vice Carter.

 

[columbus]

let see, in 1980 I was completing my 19 year in the service so I think I had a little more experience that you.

But you can't even spell the name of the president who got elected.

Carter got a lot of votes, but not enough.
Why do you think Jimmy "The Christian" Carter lost?

I can think of a batch of reasons.
But the bottom line is that America didn't want a Christian in the White House. Reagan got elected, instead. Because a fornicating TV star who is rich and famous better represents the values of the U.S. electorate than some staid Christian like Carter.

That's what Christianity means today. Reagan. Bush. Trump.
Money. Power. Elitism.

I don't expect that to change. I fully expect the Christian elitists to remain in power the way the scribes and Pharisees did 2000 years ago.
Tom

 

[Shad]

It is pretty well accepted that Bernie Sanders was cheated out of the Democratic nomination for President in 2016. The super delegate system, delegates not elected by the people, but appointed by the party bigwigs, gave the nomination to Clinton.

The party said that this time around the process would be fair.

However, that idea has gone out the window.

Why? Because those who make the rules know that if the current front runner, Sanders, is picked by their people, he has absolutely no chance to beat Trump.

I disagree that this is about Bernie beating Trump. I think Bernie can beat Trump. The problem is the optics of having a socialist as the nomination and party internal conflicts.

So, they threw out the rule about qualifying to participate in the debates, because they are pinning their hopes now on an almost 80 year old ex Republican billionaire, Bloomberg.

He was only a Republican for a few years. They want Bloomberg's money as restrictions funding on candidates are less restrictive than from supporters and PACs.

However, he was a disaster in his first debate, he could not hide behind his billions there.

He didn't prep at all. Standard Bloomberg arrogance backed up his "yes men" staff.

So, in the end will they allow the democratic voters to select whom they want, apparently Sanders, or will they ram Biden or Bloomberg through.......................................Or, will they work for a brokered convention, where they might be able to retread hillary?

DNC and media will do their best to avoid a Sander's nomination if they can.