181 The bible says the following to help us understand that water baptism is the line of demarkation between those in the world and the saved.
That's certain. Although, as previous posters have mentioned, faith is intrinsically.
As faith is the source of genuine water baptism, and faith in the lambs' blood demarked the Jews in Egypt in Exodus 12 even before their water baptism in Exodus 14
From lost ----Baptized -----then Saved (1Peter 3:21)
Saved from the world, 1 P 3:21, which the water in Noah's generation destroyed; not from hell
From Naked--Baptized------then clothed (Gal.3:27)
Putting on the Lord Jesus Christ is in baptism, Gal 3:27.
And's also day by day afterwards, Rm 13:14
From unforgiven ---Baptized ---then Forgiven (Acts 2:38)
Since Peter in Acts 10 says that "everyone who believes into Christ Jesus will receive forgiveness of sins," and "Can anyone forbid water so that these would not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we?" 43, 47;
to state that there isn't forgiveness until baptism is to arbitrarily, and counterscripturally, invent a false-legalism that duzn't exist in the NT.
As Catholicism and CoC evilly do.
Which also, with the rest of Scripture (since Ac 2:38 duzn't exist in a void or alone), helps to interpret 2:38 (and 22:16 if need be) to show that the baptism of the repentant, believing, crucifiers of Christ (2:23, 38) and of the infamous killer of His members (7:58; 8:1, 3; 9:1-2, 4-5, 13-14; 22:4-5, 8, 16, 19-20; 26:9-12; 1 Cor 15:9; Gal 1:13, 23),
in particular was for their forgiveness, not only before God, but before men, as a visible testimony of their absoolute and 180 degree turn
182 The point of (Romans 6:4) is that this is the point to which we access the blood of Jesus.
The point of Romans 6:4 is absolutely not that baptism is the point in which we access the blood of Jesus. This is also a demonic legalism of Catholicism and CoC, which, in essence, pretends and purports to restrict the unrestricted blood of the limitless Sacrifice and limitless Forgiver's unlimited forgiveness, based on whoever takes Him (Ac 10:43; Rm 3:21-28; 4:10-11).
There is no mention of "blood" in all of Romans 6. Much less 6:4.
Rm 3 and 4 precede, both chronologically, and Scripturally, and thematically, Rm 6.
Circumcision is related to baptism, Col 2:11-12; Rm 6:4, in that Christ's death is the genuine cutting off of flesh in the universe. Interestingly, Paul, in Romans 3 and 4, makes the point of saying that Abraham was justified by God thru faith, and that his saving faith was specifically, unequivocally, and deliberately experienced by Abraham before Abraham was circumcised. While he was still "in uncircumcision," Rm 4:10
We are buried with Jesus - Here we find the first time the bible says we are with Jesus
To the contrary: Saul of Tarsus was with Jesus from the second Jesus was with Him, on the road to Damascus, before he was baptized. As also whoever called on the Lord Jesus, in Acts 2:21, was with the Lord, by calling, in faith, before the second they were baptized in Acts 2:38. Just like the Spirit of Jesus was with Cornelius' and his friends and household in Acts 10 before Cornelius and they were baptized in Acts 10.
Indeed, the reason Peter gives for not withholding baptism to Cornelius and friends is BECUZ they had received the same one Spirit of God and Christ which Peter the apostle had.
The examples are too numerous to list here
and it is not until a person is baptized in water for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38).
This flat, and insulting, falsehood, Biblically-speaking, iz addressed above
It all fits like a glove. -- Baerly
To the contrary: CoC teaching in this regard is absolutely transparently inaccurate and contrived
181 From Disobedient----------Baptized ---to be Saved/renewed (Titus 3:5)
Unlike Catholicism's and CoC's mistake regarding this verse:
Titus 3:5, indeed Paul's entire letter to Titus, mentions nothing of baptism, and nothing of baptism directly. The "washing" in 5 is "of," hence "is" regeneration. Which isn't the same Greek word as "born anew" in John 3 or "regeneration" in 1 P 1:23.
Although of course it's dependent on that regeneration.
Here it means a dispositional remaking. In the image of Christ. By Christ. Becuz of Christ in you.
Regeneration in John 3 includes baptism, but it is not water, or baptism, alone. Nor is there no regeneration until baptism. It's much like human birth involves both conception, and delivery (Mt 1:20; Lk 2:6-7). Conception isn't dependent on, nor nonexistent until, delivery.
Ask any pregnant mom