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Cargo Cults
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the writer doesn't say its relevant only to humans either, or mammals, or .............
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I didn't say it did. Bacteria has no mind, so it certainly can't be mindful of it's own mind.
siti
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No what?
it can be aware of itself and it's surrounding.
no everything isn't subjective, nor does it have to be, in order to be conscious. subjective is when you accept/reject information as good/bad. you give it a quality, a qualifier.
siti
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No.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It lacks the hardware to be "aware" with. Simple reactions are not awareness, and even awareness isn't consciousness. Consciousness is the state of being aware of being aware.
subjective is making it personal. one doesn't have to judge it. it doesn't have to be qualified.
no it is being aware of something. can be self and/or otherness.
had you read any of the myriad number of articles the scientists use the word conscious or intelligence..
siti
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Yes. So how is consciousness not personal?
We Never Know
No Slack
Plant intelligence, awareness.
New research on plant intelligence may forever change how you think about plants
Not to mention crown shyness
Crown shyness: trees that don’t touch – All you need is Biology
And plants know when they are being eaten and can chemically defensively respond.
Plants Can Tell When They're Being Eaten
it doesn't have to be personal; especially when its found in myriad things and threatens someone's image of superiority..
maybe its more comfortable to anthropomorphize it?
siti
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Well now that surely is subjective. But you still haven't explained how consciousness could be impersonal.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I know what the word means. You clearly do not, and I really don't understand why you prefer to misuse/be ignorant of it.
yes i have. i explained that it doesn't have to be qualified. it can be just consciousness and not be personal. obviously for you, it needs to be? you want it to be about you, personal? what happened to objectivity?
again does it help you to anthropomorphize it? give it a form?
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siti
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Certainly not personal to me - not even 'person' as in 'human' - I am asking you to explain how consciousness works in the absence of a 'person' - if a plant is indeed conscious - as a plant - then the plant is a 'person' - isn't it? You are arguing that consciousness is fundamental. How can fundamental consciousness work? What is it that is displaying or experiencing consciousness?
How do you come to this conclusion? Plants and microbes lack the neural hardware associated with awareness.
How are you defining "awareness?"
It can react to, or interact with its surroundings, but I see no indication that this rises to the level of awareness; certainly not self-awareness. Self awareness is iffy even in small children.
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You're looking for technical definitions in a thesaurus?
You don't turn to a thesaurus for precise meanings or synonyms. Thesauruses (?) are lists of words associated with certain concepts