Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Well, hello again
The typical Atheist slap : I will believe in God when I see him.
I've been wandering, how exactly is there any room for belief or disbelief once something is established to be real?
If God happened to show itself, then how can you call that belief anymore if you saw him?
I don't know if so far from what I have said whether anyone has understood my point?
If you have understood my point, then stop reading this, answer me.
If you haven't understood my point, let me explain a little more.
There is a store which has security cameras installed (CCTV) and records a man stealing a drink. A man, not necessarily the same man, is accused of the crime and is taken to court. You as the jury, need to make a decision as to whether the man who is accused did in fact commit the crime.
While the trial is going on, you come to a decision, however, you are not 100% sure. Footage is then played latter on and it becomes apparent that the accused is not the man in the video and he is set free. After you have seen the video, there is no chance, no possibility whatsoever that anyone will hold the man accountable because there is evidence showing another man committing the crime.
So basically, you have no choice in concluding that the accused is innocent because once you saw the video you know you can't go against the evidence no matter how much you want to.
So now if God was to show up, we would have no choice in believing or disbelieving because you can't go against the fact that God exists once he shows up.
In Islam, we have this thing where faith and evidence work together and individually the one is dependent on the other. So the more you have of faith (which is the first step/phase) the more you have of evidence (the second step/phase).
I know some of you are going to just dismiss that last sentence without giving it any thought, so let me remind you to give it a good deep thought of what it means before you work your way into pointing out it's "apparent" flaw in reasoning.
Atheists in general, want to see the evidence of God, however, ask yourself, which God is it that you want to see?
In Islam, we believe that Adam peace be upon him was the first man and Prophet and thus, God always existed in this world. Latter on, through deviation, corruption, ignorance, lack of understanding and misinterpretation, new concepts came out, which I will give an easy to remember name, the evolution of religion. Basically over time through little changes there came to exist all these religions which we see now.
Sorry for the long post, but any thoughts?
The typical Atheist slap : I will believe in God when I see him.
I've been wandering, how exactly is there any room for belief or disbelief once something is established to be real?
If God happened to show itself, then how can you call that belief anymore if you saw him?
I don't know if so far from what I have said whether anyone has understood my point?
If you have understood my point, then stop reading this, answer me.
If you haven't understood my point, let me explain a little more.
There is a store which has security cameras installed (CCTV) and records a man stealing a drink. A man, not necessarily the same man, is accused of the crime and is taken to court. You as the jury, need to make a decision as to whether the man who is accused did in fact commit the crime.
While the trial is going on, you come to a decision, however, you are not 100% sure. Footage is then played latter on and it becomes apparent that the accused is not the man in the video and he is set free. After you have seen the video, there is no chance, no possibility whatsoever that anyone will hold the man accountable because there is evidence showing another man committing the crime.
So basically, you have no choice in concluding that the accused is innocent because once you saw the video you know you can't go against the evidence no matter how much you want to.
So now if God was to show up, we would have no choice in believing or disbelieving because you can't go against the fact that God exists once he shows up.
In Islam, we have this thing where faith and evidence work together and individually the one is dependent on the other. So the more you have of faith (which is the first step/phase) the more you have of evidence (the second step/phase).
I know some of you are going to just dismiss that last sentence without giving it any thought, so let me remind you to give it a good deep thought of what it means before you work your way into pointing out it's "apparent" flaw in reasoning.
Atheists in general, want to see the evidence of God, however, ask yourself, which God is it that you want to see?
In Islam, we believe that Adam peace be upon him was the first man and Prophet and thus, God always existed in this world. Latter on, through deviation, corruption, ignorance, lack of understanding and misinterpretation, new concepts came out, which I will give an easy to remember name, the evolution of religion. Basically over time through little changes there came to exist all these religions which we see now.
Sorry for the long post, but any thoughts?
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