TagliatelliMonster
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Dead bodies do not know math.
The verbe "know" isn't applicable to dead, or non-existing, things.
It's like talking about the taste of a color. it makes no sense. It's invalid.
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Dead bodies do not know math.
If a being knows everything, then He knows that Omniscient Being exists as well. Thus, Omniscient Being exists.
It is impossible to know everything without knowing that the Omniscient exists.
"Your proof made totally no sense to me."
The problem is not my proof. The problem is your reception of the Existing God.
It makes no sense for an atheist to except Existing God
His imaginable god does not exist.
I have ability to know all. Because God is my friend.
Sure. You can also ask anything of Thor, Quetzalcoatl, the interdimensional aliens following us around everywhere, bigfoot, the tooth fairy, santa claus, your wife,...One can ask God anything.
Yes, but the objective/outside truth never changes for any given mushroom. you at least have to admit this. And that's what we honestly should be trying to understand/encounter. The truth that exists in its most fundamental nature. Understand that, and you hold a great many keys... as we have already found out through our examination, acceptance and understanding of the natural world around us.All the mushrooms in the forest experience life in the forest in more or less the same way. And yet none of them even know that they are living in a forest. They could very easily imagine that they are living on the moon.
Your last sentence is not at all cogent, and flies in the face of enormous reams of evidence that we all gather on a daily basis. You are far too hyperbolic with these ridiculous statement. Similarities "do nothing" to ensure the accuracy of our perceived realities through sensory input? "NOTHING?" Are you mad? If that were true, then none of us could rely on anything else any of the others EVER said. Which is not, at all, where we find ourselves. Once again, you do no more than prove to me that you aren't worth listening too.The point is that similar sensory systems experience similar sensory input. That's all. The similarities do nothing to ensure the accuracy of the imagined reality that such input generates.
Ask God what city I was born in and let me know what he tells you.One can ask God anything.
There is hidden from you knowledge of God's existence, which is now becoming open knowledge. The sum of hidden and open knowledge is invariant.But either there is an omniscient being or there isn't. So either one of the members of the set is "there is an omniscient being", and that being knows the whole set, or there isn't and "there is an omniscient being" is not in the set. There is no contradiction either way. It's also the case that the set of knowledge is dynamic, so if some being becomes omniscient, or, for that matter, the only omniscient being dies, then the contents of the set change.
This really isn't difficult - you're whole argument assumes that there is an omniscient being which is supposed to be your conclusion. This is called begging the question.
All we've gotten from our examination of the natural world so far are bigger and bigger guns to kill each other with, and the ability to practice our selfishness and greed with such abandon that we're about the wipe ourselves out, and turn the Earth in to a barren cinder. So you'll have to pardon me if I am not seeing the Great Advancements In Knowledge that you imagine to be coming from the worship of "objective reality", spawned by philosophical materialism.Yes, but the objective/outside truth never changes for any given mushroom. you at least have to admit this. And that's what we honestly should be trying to understand/encounter. The truth that exists in its most fundamental nature. Understand that, and you hold a great many keys... as we have already found out through our examination, acceptance and understanding of the natural world around us.
I'm sure those similarities in our experience give is the illusion that we "understand" what happening outside ourselves, because we can build similar imaginary conceptions of "reality" based on them. But, logically, that's just a great big example of confirmation bias.Your last sentence is not at all cogent, and flies in the face of enormous reams of evidence that we all gather on a daily basis. You are far too hyperbolic with these ridiculous statement. Similarities "do nothing" to ensure the accuracy of our perceived realities through sensory input? "NOTHING?" Are you mad? If that were true, then none of us could rely on anything else any of the others EVER said. Which is not, at all, where we find ourselves. Once again, you do no more than prove to me that you aren't worth listening too.
You are Catholic? Then most stylish answer would be Rome. Eternal City. There is your thought, prayer, and your loving heart.Ask God what city I was born in and let me know what he tells you.
Are you sure you're actually Eastern Orthodox? I didn't think that was an esoteric religion. What you're saying sounds very gnostic.There is hidden from you knowledge of God's existence, which is now becoming open knowledge. The sum of hidden and open knowledge is invariant.
You are Catholic? Then most stylish answer would be Rome. Eternal City. There is your thought, prayer, and your loving heart.
Water, eggs. It is from a logical guess, I have not asked God. Eggs - Passover, water - any stuff (e.g. milk, juice) has water in it.So what did I have for lunch yesterday?
In all theistic religions is at least one common truth, which is "God exists". The truth (parts of it) are everywhere [but not in satan].Are you sure you're actually Eastern Orthodox? I didn't think that was an esoteric religion. What you're saying sounds very gnostic.
Water, eggs. It is from a logical guess, I have not asked God. Eggs - Passover, water - any stuff (e.g. milk, juice) has water in it.So what did I have for lunch yesterday?
It is from a logical guess, I have not asked God
There is hidden from you knowledge of God's existence, which is now becoming open knowledge.
The sum of hidden and open knowledge is invariant.
With utmost respect: I think you should have put this in the OP. Your argument is intended to be proof for Theists, not everyone?The problem is not my proof. The problem is your reception of the Existing God. It makes no sense for an atheist to except Existing God. His imaginable god does not exist.
It's not about solipsism. It's about recognizing that our "reality" is imaginary because we have so little access to whatever reality is. So that when we are spouting off about knowledge and truth and what exists and what doesn't we are basically just blowing smoke up our own @sses. No offense.