Can Satan Exist Without God?

[The Sum of Awe]

A post made me think about it. Why if so?

That'd be a way interesting belief.

edit: The original post that made me think was the opposite.

 

[Madhuri]

As a Hindu, I have never believed in Satan or a 'devil'. In fact, I don't think the concept makes sense at all, unless Satan is an agent of God.

The existence of Satan is not necessary. God does not depend on a rebellious force in order to exist. That would certainly make him seem like a weak god.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

As a Hindu, I have never believed in Satan or a 'devil'. In fact, I don't think the concept makes sense at all, unless Satan is an agent of God.

The existence of Satan is not necessary. God does not depend on a rebellious force in order to exist. That would certainly make him seem like a weak god.

Sorry, my edit was late, it was the other way around.

 

[Madhuri]

Sorry, my edit was late, it was the other way around.

Oops, sorry. Ignore my post then

 

[singapito]

nope he cant exit

 

[Gjallarhorn]

A post made me think about it. Why if so?

That'd be a way interesting belief.

edit: The original post that made me think was the opposite.

Yes, though I would hate to live in a world like that.

 

[Madhuri]

Wouldn't it mean that Satan is God?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Wouldn't it mean that Satan is God?

Depends on your definition of god. Satan could be considered a god anyway.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Lucifer as a good guy existed without being in rebellion, if that's the question,

However the accuser needs someone to accuse.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Wouldn't it mean that Satan is God?

If Satan existed without God? To some, others would generally be misotheists.

 

[Erebus]

However the accuser needs someone to accuse.

Though we probably view this in different ways, I agree with that statement. Satan (not the Hebrew Satan mind you, the Satan that has evolved in western society) is either a villain or an anti-hero depending on your view. As such he needs something to oppose, such as the concept of "good" or whatever a particular society holds in high regard.

This need not be God, but it does need to be something held in reverence if Satan and his followers are to be effective Devils.

 

[zenzero]

Friend TSoA,

Can Satan Exist Without God?

Can there be a DAY without NIGHT????

Love & rgds

 

[bain-druie]

I agree with Shyanekh; the point of the traditional Christian Satan, from a story point of view, is to be the shadow by which God's brightness can be measured. No light, no shadow.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Though we probably view this in different ways, I agree with that statement. Satan (not the Hebrew Satan mind you, the Satan that has evolved in western society) is either a villain or an anti-hero depending on your view. As such he needs something to oppose, such as the concept of "good" or whatever a particular society holds in high regard.

This need not be God, but it does need to be something held in reverence if Satan and his followers are to be effective Devils.

Great post! Thank you.

 

[Thief]

According to Webster's....Adversary.

If this name is sufficient, then He would be resistant to the will of the Creator.

Are we then discussing the possible death of a Creator God?....
as if the Adversary has overcome the will of the Creator?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

According to Webster's....Adversary.

If this name is sufficient, then He would be resistant to the will of the Creator.

Are we then discussing the possible death of a Creator God?....
as if the Adversary has overcome the will of the Creator?

Not really, just if the Devil existed but God never had.

 

[not nom]

Can there be a DAY without NIGHT????

yeah. you know, sunshine all the time. we wouldn't call it day anymore, but it still would be what it is. though that would suck IMHO, the night in itself is beautiful and makes the day even better.

but spring without winter for example? sign me up!

 

[Thief]

Not really, just if the Devil existed but God never had.

That idea simply changes the names.
Giving credit to 'the other' for the creation.

Try thinking ....Almighty.
An almighty by any name....

Perhaps that is why God said to Moses....
'Tell the people...'I AM'...and they that understand will know whose law this is.'

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Though we probably view this in different ways, I agree with that statement. Satan (not the Hebrew Satan mind you, the Satan that has evolved in western society) is either a villain or an anti-hero depending on your view. As such he needs something to oppose, such as the concept of "good" or whatever a particular society holds in high regard.

This need not be God, but it does need to be something held in reverence if Satan and his followers are to be effective Devils.

However for him to be in rebellion I would argue their needs to be a supreme authority, and by definition this supreme authority of all things is God

 

[BruceDLimber]

IOV God is One, Supreme, and has no equal or rival! There is thus no "devil" out there competing with Him.

And "satan" merely refers to our own lower (animal) nature when we give it control instead of our higher (spiritual) nature.

Peace,

Bruce