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I don't got time now to post stuff but go on Google and type in "Islamqa Jinn possession" and insha Allah you will get some links to that site and info.
Also there's videos and things like that on Youtube that you can check out.
I doubt they are bacteria b/c the Quran speaks about Jinn that have accepted Islam, unless some mutate bacteria can do that, I will stand by the evidences and majority opinion that they are 'beings' or i dunno how to put it..
Thank you brother for the link which i found interesting.
We know that jinn were created before humans and they are unseen but they got the ability to appear in many forms such as cats,lions,snakes,aliens,bacterias,viruses....etc
a link about jinn and bacteria The Jinn
my question is.
Can the jinn possess and control the human body ?
This topic is most interesting.
The word Jinn is derived from Janna which means, it veiled, concealed, covered or protected him or it. Jinn means, such beings as remain aloof from the people concealing themselves; strangers; the main or chief part or body of mankind, etc. (Lane & Aqrab)
So Jinn can apply to many things, it is not a word referring to a single being. In the Quran there are many uses of the word, if a single being viewpoint is taken then you will be very confused when reading verses of the Quran referring to Jinn. We should always take the viewpoint that is most sensible and respectable to the verses of the Holy Quran. As such Jinn can be bacteria/microorganisms, human beings who keep themselves hidden from society, strangers, angels, etc..
Jinn can also refer to a group of Human Beings that keep themselves isolated from society. As such these can be Muslims or Non-Muslims alike that are among this Elite class. I am not sure if you are aware but most people know that there are group or groups made up of few people but control most of the world. Often Quran will also refer to these people.
Among many verses here is one that clearly shows that a Man can belong to the Jinn: 72:6. If you click the link and see the translation word by word you can see it clearly talks about men from among the Jinn. How can you be from among the Jinn yet be a Man? Simply as I stated earlier it is not a being, here it is talking about influential and isolated people. There are other verses that speak of this group, some of which accepted Islam at the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) (46:29-30). These people referred to here were strangers (non-arabs), as Jinn by definition is also used for strangers.
If Jinn were truly separate beings then there are many questions to answer, such as the fact that they don't fit into the Quran conceptually. Why are they not given specific instructions on Sharia, why are they often excluded from laws given to us. There is a HUGE gap.
Now I will show you a verse that also again proves in clear words that they are not separate beings.
O company of Jinn and men! did not Messengers come to you from among yourselves who related to you My Signs and who warned you of the meeting of this your day? They will say, We bear witness against ourselves. And the worldly life deceived them. And they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers. (6:130)
Clearly the words, Messengers from among yourselves, show that the Jinn does not here refer to a separate creation but to only a section of human beings. The Holy Quran say that Moses and the Holy Prophet were sent as Messengers to Jinn also (46:29-32; 72:1-15). Yet you do not find a single instance in the Quran that speaks of any Messengers who are said to be raised from among the Jinn. Don't the proponents of the view that Jinn are a separate creation state that Quran is also been revealed for the Jinn, yet there is not a single mention of Messengers from among the Jinn?
I would ask you to see if you can get someone to show you anywhere in the Quran where possession by the Jinn is spoken of, and where they get that idea, and who taught them how to try and remove these so called Jinn.
I linked my proof from saheeh international translation word by word. You cannot change the verse of the Quran. Generally i dont like there translation because they insert words into it so to enforce their own meanings. But Quran never let's them get away, they get caught at other verses using the same words. More over are you saying that the verses stating Moses (as) and Muhammad (saw) were sent to Jinn means them in Human form because of what reason? Moreover it clearly says from among yourselves.You are once again stuck. Quran will only give you one way out. Also please look up Jinn in Arabic Lexcon.
asalamo alikum
I only was stating that often Saheeh translators do some injustice in translation, you did not do anything wrong.
How familiar are you with the Holy Quran, if you have read the verses warning people about putting trust in these powerful groups. On the day of judgement they will compain that these leaders we followed led us astray. So here you have the answer to that verse, there are really two groups in society, Jinn and common man. They are both human beings. Now i speak of Jinn in one sense, the word is used in other senses as well.
I am using a phone when typing, I will get back on Iblees later.
Waliakumasalam
Dickerson inadvertently agrees with the Quranic view when he observes that the most ancient organisms:—
'... would have lived on the energy of lightning and ultraviolet radiation ...'
(Revelation Rationality Knowledge & Truth, Mirza Tahir Ahmad)
Arabic lexicon mentions the following as the possible meanings of the word jinn. It literally means anything which has the connotation of concealment, invisibility, seclusion and remoteness. It also has the connotation of thick shades and dark shadows. That is why the word 'jannah' (from the same root word) is employed by the Quran to denote paradise, which would be full of thick, heavily shaded gardens. The word jinn is also applicable to snakes which habitually remain hidden from common view and live a life secluded from other animals in rock crevices and earthen holes. It is also applied to women who observe segregation and to such chieftains as keep their distance from the common people. The inhabitants of remote, inaccessible mountains are likewise referred to as jinn. Hence, anything which lies beyond the reach of common sight or is invisible to the unaided naked eye, could well be described by this word.
(Revelation Rationality Knowledge & Truth, Mirza Tahir Ahmad)
Asalamo Alaikum
If we look carefully at verse 6:130
Now at 3:164
Now at 9:128
How should we reconcile these verses?
Similarly the Holy Prophet (saw) warned people not to use bones and dung to wipe themselves as Jinn feed on it. Who would have possibly known this? He knew there was something not visible to the naked eye that was eating at it. What better Arabic word could he have possibly used?
You can interpet verses, that are susceptible to different interpretations, to hold many meanings that can all be correct as long as they do not contradict with other verses that are clear in meaning. This is the standard set by the Quran itself and described by the Holy Prophet (saw). So the verse about their creation from fire can be taken, from amongst other meaning, to also mean that Jinn as in those humans who were of a fierce nature and arrogant. While mankind, as in humans who turned towards Allah (swt), were not arrogant and mouldable like clay. They could be moulded into a great character, while arrogant people are fiery and outright reject Prophets of Allah (swt).
Again, I would repeat not to think that the word encompasses only one meaning of those secluded human beings, it can be anything that falls into the definition of concealed things. As such Angels are Jinn. Please note that Angels may appear as visions of Human form that bring messages, this does not mean they actually physically turned into Human form and came.
For a better understanding of creation from fire please read some commentary here.
Remember that Allah does not burden a soul beyond its capacity. If Jinn could possess people then at times we would have no choice, how do you know that the good you do is not some righteous Jinn, or the bad you do some Jinn who has gone astray. Allah (swt) says that evil can only give you suggestions, they cannot enforce anything upon you. So you are always responsible for your deeds. You have a choice. So this entire concept of possession by some other being is foreign and against the Quran.
Quran also clarifies that Adam is not unique in being created from dust as all mankind including Jesus were created in a similar way - contrary to the Bible which mentions Adam as having been exclusively created from dust. Quran says, "Surely, the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam. He created him out of dust, and then He said to him, 'Be' and he was" (Imran 3:60). Similarly about the creation of whole of mankind Quran says, "And of His signs is that He created you from dust; then behold, you are men spreading over the earth." (Al-Rum 30:21)
http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000179.html
Asalamo Alikum
This is not an easy concept to understand. Jinn that is most likely referred to by the Holy Prophet are Angels who record your deeds. Also the Jinn as in Angels who used to protect him. Moreover I hope that the Scholars you may hold honor for would be able to help you in seeing from the Quran that what I am saying is wrong. You may show me anyone who said such and such, but if it contradicts the Quran then it is of no value to me. If Jinn could possess people then the Quran would have mentioned that at least even once, but you will not find a single instance of this fairy tale. Moreover, the Jinn that are described as being part of Prophet Solomon (as) soldiers are a portion of the various portions of his military. So if you think with common sense then you would know who exactly those Jinn were. I would invite you to read the commentary I linked out when you find time for all verses you are confused about. If it is within human reasoning and more honorable and sensible to the nature of Allah (swt) and the Holy Prophet (saw) then we should accept it. Again, we must not take contradictions. As I have pointed out, the verses above leave no option but to accept that the Jinn as human beings where it is mentioned that the Holy Prophet (saw) conveyed Allah (swt) message to them. If you don't then you have a big problem explaining the verses.
I agree that you can say that a person who lost his senses is under Junoon. But saying possessed by another being with a soul has no basis whatsoever in the Quran. It can be called a sickness and that is where it ends. No stories about controlling Jinn and preaching Jinn as in other beings is true. That are fantasies that can never be replicated when these people are called upon.
Creation from Clay
This verse would appear as 30:20 where the first verse Bismillah is not numbered. You may now see that you being created from the same leaves you many questions to wonder. You must avoid contradiction in the literal meanings.
Wa Laikum Asalam
Wa alaykum salaam,
I do not see any contradiction in believing that Jinn are not humans or Angels but I do see a contradiction that Jinn are humans and angels. As Allah (Azza wa Jal) makes a distinctions multiple times b/w the jinn and mankind and also that mankind was created from clay, jinn from fire, angels from light, so saying on creature is the other seems like a contradiction to me.
Also the prophet Solomon (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) having jinn under his control by the will of Allah (Subhana wa Ta'ala) bringing the thrown of sheba from the palace and back to where prophet Solomon (peace be upon him) was. These are the types of things that the Sunnah of rasoolullah (sallAllahu alayhis wassalaam) mentions that Jinn (as separate beings) have the power to do and that there are many categories of them. Similarly, other ahadeeth mention that they can take the shape of humans, dogs, birds, snakes, etc. I do not think that it would make sense to say humans can take the shape of humans or dogs or the other things.
Also, they cannot be angels b/c they have free will and are tested just as we are b/c as the Quran says, messengers were sent to them and some believe while other don't. While angels were created only to do good and all of them believe.
The Quran doesn't mention every single thing, that doesn't mean the things not mentioned are false. That is why we have the Sunnah of prophet Muhammad (sallAllahu alayhis wassalaam) as well. Some scholars interpret 2:275 to mean that the people who consume Riba will be resurrected like those who are driven to insanity by shaytan and possessed by one too.
30:20 is about humans being originally created from dust - as prophet Adam (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was and then his children scattering all over the world, in different races and tribes, etc. Allah (Azza wa Jal) explains the rest of the humans' formation and creation in the verses which speak about embryology.
Also, the creation of nabi 'Isa (alayhis salaam) is similar to the creation of nabi Adam (alayhis salaam) b/c of Allah (Azza wa Jal) created them both by saying "Be". Since they were unique cases and miracle creations, not through normal reproduction as we were so that is how they why/how their cases are similar.
Wassalaam.
Al Salam Alaikum brother,
What you have mentioned is right,but i noticed that all of them will be punished the same,
all of disbelievers seems to have similar skin.(jinn & human)
We shall soon cast into Fire all those who deny Our Messages. As often as their skins are burnt up We will replace
them with other (new) skins that they may (continually) taste (agony of) punishment. Surely, Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise. (4:56)
Asalamo Alaikum
I would hope that viewpoints of such major topics root from the Quran. I can only hope that more effort is put in research and then Allah (swt) can guide thoose who make a motion for help. Until stuff is shown from the Quran it will remain fairytales. All man is said to be created as such. Yet we all know how we are created. If Adam (as) was created without mother and father and was the first man then i wonder who he was a Khalifa to. In any case, i hope you dont take your elders word for it. Search and let Allah guide you. I have put effort to understand this view but whenever i speak of the Quran people leave it and start some fictional stories.
Walaikum Asalam.