Can Creationism Ever Become A Science?

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That's no proposition of science. Science relies on cause and effect. If the events that drove the establishment of life were random, the entire universe would be chaos, rather than order.

If the universe just happened to happen by some accident, how come there is perfect order in the universe like the planets orbitting, but never colliding with one another.

According to what we know already, there billions and billions of objects in space. If even one of them hit another one, everyrthing will go haywire and our planet will disappear in a jiffy. But it has NEVER happened. If it did, we won't be here. because all bodies would have come together as just one body, or several , depending on how far they are from each other's gravity.

Just imagine if a big body hit the moon and it moved towards the earth out of its present orbit, the earths pull would draw the moon into the earth and both will turn into one big mass. Of course we won't be having this conversation if it had happned. But it could happen if the universe is alll one big accident.

If it was an accident, how can we expect the sun to rise and set tomorrow. The same accident that caused the universe could cause the sun to reverse. I know its the earth that runs round the sun. So how if the earth stopped and then put itself on reverse gear tomorrow?

 

[MaddLlama]

Who said the origin of life was an accident?

 

[painted wolf]

natural doesn't equil accidental.
The universe isn't in perfect order, far from it... stars explode, black holes eat galexies and dark matter does whatever it is that its doing. Giant cunks of space rock hurtle into our world and on occasion nearly wipe out all major life forms.
Perfection is far from the reality.

wa:do

 

[MaddLlama]

If the universe just happened to happen by some accident, how come there is perfect order in the universe like the planets orbitting, but never colliding with one another.

According to what we know already, there billions and billions of objects in space. If even one of them hit another one, everyrthing will go haywire and our planet will disappear in a jiffy. But it has NEVER happened. If it did, we won't be here. because all bodies would have come together as just one body, or several , depending on how far they are from each other's gravity.

Just imagine if a big body hit the moon and it moved towards the earth out of its present orbit, the earths pull would draw the moon into the earth and both will turn into one big mass. Of course we won't be having this conversation if it had happned. But it could happen if the universe is alll one big accident.

If it was an accident, how can we expect the sun to rise and set tomorrow. The same accident that caused the universe could cause the sun to reverse. I know its the earth that runs round the sun. So how if the earth stopped and then put itself on reverse gear tomorrow?

A little off topic, but I think you would benefit from reading this:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/origsoflife_04
It's always good to be informed about science and scientific theory before you discount it, or mock it.

 

[ch'ang]

If the universe just happened to happen by some accident, how come there is perfect order in the universe?

Order is an abstract and rather arbitrary idea, just because there seems to be a lot of what we would call order in the universe in no way proves anything but the fact that there is what we would call order.

 

[Mike182]

If the universe just happened to happen by some accident, how come there is perfect order in the universe like the planets orbitting, but never colliding with one another.

According to what we know already, there billions and billions of objects in space. If even one of them hit another one, everyrthing will go haywire and our planet will disappear in a jiffy. But it has NEVER happened. If it did, we won't be here. because all bodies would have come together as just one body, or several , depending on how far they are from each other's gravity.

Just imagine if a big body hit the moon and it moved towards the earth out of its present orbit, the earths pull would draw the moon into the earth and both will turn into one big mass. Of course we won't be having this conversation if it had happned. But it could happen if the universe is alll one big accident.

If it was an accident, how can we expect the sun to rise and set tomorrow. The same accident that caused the universe could cause the sun to reverse. I know its the earth that runs round the sun. So how if the earth stopped and then put itself on reverse gear tomorrow?

i think it was David Hume that made a comment along the lines of: this is not an argument to prove anything, because the only evidence we can observe is what is left from the thousands (or billions) of years of growth and development. we can not observe the universe today and conclude that it has always been like it is.


to illustrate the point a bit more, if we were to take natural selection: we have no evidence of animals that would not survive in common terrain in the UK because such animals in the UK would have died out - so it would be wrong to say that all the animals in the UK are fit for living in the UK, it is just that the ones that were not fit for living in the UK died off - we now can't see them, so they do not factor into our current observations.

 

[Fluffy]

Creationism is not a science and can never become a science.

In principle, a theory very like Creationism (perhaps identical barring its origins) could become scientific if it made falsifiable predictions based on observed information that could be replicated in a controlled manner. However, what we currently refer to as Creationism would not become scientific if it happened upon the scientific method since it would have originated out of non-scientific means.

The way that we arrive at truth is equally important to the truth itself and Creationism has damned itself already by failing to base its theories on the scientific method. Attempting to makes its theories more scientific would not overcome this failure.

 

[gnostic]

That's no proposition of science. Science relies on cause and effect. If the events that drove the establishment of life were random, the entire universe would be chaos, rather than order.

Who said the universe is not chaotic?

 

[Malkav's Knight]

there is no perfect order in the universe... Just because you wot see anything ultra-chaotic happen in the universe in your life, doesnt mean that the universe is in order. Think of the vastness of the universe. Again, just because nothin big happens in out solar systems doenst mean that things arent happening elsewhere. The earth alone is bombarded by meteors on a daily basis, but they are small enough to burn up in the atmosphere. Remeber in 1994 i think it was when the asteroid/comet (cant remember which) hit Jupiter. It got close enough to shattered into 7/8 pieces, then proceed to hit it with full force. Where is the order in that? Wht if the path of that object had been slightly altered far out just enough to change the course, it could have headed straight for earth. The point is that the universe is made up of random chaotic events.

 

[Ernesto]

Creationism could never be a true science because any study implemented would have to have God as the dependent variable. How does one measure God scientifically? People tend to believe they experience God through personal experiences and mostly indefensible 'proofs', such as the argument from design, the cosmological argument, and so forth. None of these are scientific proofs, and therefore Creationism could never amount to being a true science.