I'm a little behind for skipping a day but I'm going to respond to a few of the stated issues and perspective I've noticed reading through most of this thread again.
I'm not going to go try to gather all the quotes that relate, if you been following you'll prob get it.
#35 is an excelent post....thank you.
Couple things expressed along and throughout here that I think are fairly irrelevant. Mostly, the confusion of WHEN and WHERE we are talking about, try HEAR and NOW. I personally have alot of issues with what christians have done in history....But WE(none of us) can do anything about the crusades or any thing else in history
"Our current day and age" that myself and others have tried to imply is not from WWII till now. It's NOW.......what can you do about injustices of the past? what can I do? I'm talking about problems now, the ongoings of today, this year, this month, now and more importantly...tomorrow.
In example: I think it sucks what white english peoples did to blacks in this country....and what white americans did to them for a long time after that. However, as a white american today, I don't personally owe the black man in america anything for this transgression....I wasn't part of it, he wasn't part of it either. As a whole we prob shouldn't forget about it, but we should kinda move on into the now.
And you can call me crazy if you like, but, ummm, the KKK is a joke, the Klan has been a joke for friggin years and for years and years before it was predominatly scare tactics....yes, they linched some negros back in the day, but once the consequences became to great they resorted beatings, then harsh words and scare tactics....burning crosses, while terroristic in nature still doesn't do anything, short of maybe screwing up your lawn and causing some commotion. Is it right? no. Is it stupid? yes......still not a suicide bomber kind of mentality though. In fact, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find an american today who has ever even seen a klansman, harder pressed yet to find one who thinks what's left of the KKK has the least bit to do with religion. Jerry Springer had enough KKK on afternoon TV 20 years ago to let normal americans see what kind of inbread white trash rednecks they were, and here the ludicris diarreah they were spouting...No right thinking white american want's any of these idiots speaking for us.
BUT...Besides all that....and more importantly. What's left of the KKK today doesn't and can't opperate in an overly overt terrorist manner because....WE(the, the slightly more cival majority) have imposed, and enforce great penalties for such actions.
I think as a whole, through dilligence ourselves, the KKK has been all but delt with. It's true home now is in our prisons. What's left of it outside the jails has essentially no power of any kind any more at all......When was the most recent video of klansmen hanging a black man? When was the most recent vid of muslims beheading infidels? So IMHO, screw the KKK. It's a non arguement. I'm more worried about what's happening right now.
Where are the christian malitias? They must be held up with their wives and guns in the hills of Utah....I haven't heard of any, even possibly militant christian group of any kind since like Wayco. I think we umm sort of excessively erracicated that too.
There are no "holy men" in america teaching kids to wear suicide belts....i'm sorry...
Heh, holy men in america just want dollars.
for #27....yes indeed I have no argument...america is no angel, got plenty of problems with america. However America kills and takes, for power and greed...these are at least human things we can understand, real things. I started this about imaginary things, religion, not polotics.
I figure there should be another thread just like this, dealing with political shackles....and believe me, I will be on board....I think we need to stop the street people from blowing themselves and others up in the name of god, pretty quick like too, otherwise we may never make it to the political issues. Like I said before, an unproveable entity should have no say in politics. I certianly think anyone who uses their God as a reason or excuse for violence certianly has the wrong God. The wrong message to his fellow man. The wrong approach to everything life is.
I believe that any God who would incite war amongst us(like we couldn't do that ourselves) is not worthy of worship. I think men who use God for this purpose and who mislead others in this way and hide behind God while they blow people up are criminals unto humanity as a whole.
As far as me inciting prejudice. Probably..not so much as flushing it into the open, i think...but probably a little....my point was that God incited all the prejudice mankind would ever need, long before I was a bloodclot.
#44
yes, I can take it...keep dishin brother....it's cool
I don't need to backpedal.
I still stick to my original assertion that the "moderate muslim community" is secretely applauding the actions of the extreamist muslim community. That the primary diff in moderate and extream is wether or not you personally are willing to get your hands dirty.
We did and do, need a muslim outcry against all such actions. I think the whole world does....without it they(muslims) all become the enemy.
When I read the Koran, it seems pretty clear cut that us(infidels) are already mislead by god and are already doomed to fall and be destroyed by god, save those who turn. So why would a muslim think anything other than "it serves them right"
There is no outcry because in that mindset, it's our just deserts.....I think they don't want peace, they don't want to live together and they are just want for the rest of us to die or for the latter day to arrive.
Just because a moderate doesn't want to partake the slaughtering himself, he still wants to see it come to pass. It would only mean he was closer to his promised reward.
I suppose I read it wrong cus of that pesky veil over my eyes.
Wombat...I was posting ^^^ all that before I read your post...I got no time today but when I get back to the comp I'll gladly address most of that too, peace. Jerrimiah, your last post as well....
...see you guys, have a nice day