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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    There were no people millions of years ago.
     
  2. Audie

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    Pretty much every "Christian" says those four
    words about every other "Christian".

    Incredible how many different infallible /
    inerrant versions there are.
     
  3. Neutral Name

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    They are not real Christians. They will call themselves Christians but Jesus taught that love is the first and foremost thing. He said that it was above all else. He said not to judge and hating people because they are not heterosexual is not being a Christian.
     
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    Who?
     
  5. Audie

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    Funny! In the post just before yours we see...

    Pretty much every "Christian" says those four
    words about every other "Christian
    ".


    and who but a True Christian would know best how rotten they are!

    No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.[1][2] Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).[3]
     
  6. 3rdAngel

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    Hi nice to meet you Audie. Please forgive me but I do no understand your post as it does not make any sense. Did you wish to explain yourself a little better? I gather you do not believe God's Word (the bible).
     
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    Hi Third.

    Two different things there.
    First, I do not believe in god, and I do not
    think there is such a thing as "god's word".

    Second, those who read the bible all seem
    to have different ides about what "god"
    meant.

    Take the flood--some say it is allegorical, some say it
    is literal, some say there was a little local flood, some
    say it was world wide.

    How can any of that be "believing gods word"?
    It is just opinions.

    Also, regardless of what the bible says, or
    means, there was no flood.

    So if someone says god really did do it,they
    are lying,and accusing god of a horrendous crime.

    If there is a god, he possibly wont like that.
     
  8. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    People like Rick Lowery, Bruce Metzger, Victor Matthews, Robert Funk, Luke T Johnson, Brandon Scott, Bart Ehrman, Bob Miller, William Beardsley, Reginald Fuller.
     
  9. 3rdAngel

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    Hi Audie, thanks very much for your post and clarification. I understand much better where your coming from now so thankyou for that.

    For me however, I do not see what you have written above is a reason not to believe God's Word because what your talking about here are prophecies written in the bible that have come to pass today which state that in the last days there will be many false teachers and those professing to be Chrstians but are not *Matthew 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12.

    Now just because there is many false teachers and those that do not know or follow God's Word does not mean that there is no truth and no God's Word. Also, that does not mean that God does not have His people in every Church who are living up to all the knowledge that God has given to them. In fact the hour is coming and now is that all God's true people will here His voice (the Word) and come out from following man made teachings to follow Him in spirit and in truth accoding to His Word.

    It is those who profess to be Chrstians that are not and those who do not believe and follow God's Word that will be accountable to God come judgment day. We only have today. It is not to late to turn to God now and make your peace with God and seek His forgiveness *1 John 1:9; Acts 2:38; John 3:16. All who do no tturn to God today will have to give an account to him at the judgment. For all those who turn their back to God it will be a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God when you have had the chance to hear God's Word but chose to turn away from it.

    Have you never wondered that there must be more to life than being born, going to school and work, eating, drinking, living and dying? God has a plan for you and is calling you. That is why you are here. Can you hear His Voice?

    If you ever do wish to know the truth of God's Word you can if you turn away from men to seek it. GOd promises to be your personal guide and teacher *John 14:26; John 16:13.

    It is all those who seek God's truth through the words of men that are the ones lead away from God's Word. The words of men lead away from the Word of God *Romans 3:4; Matthew 15:3-9.

    Thanks fore sharing your thoughts.
     
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    If all these people you have listed above teach that it is ok to be a homosexual and it is not a sin in God's eyes when God says it is an abomination and a sin, than this post is a great example of those who are deceived and lead astray those who trust in the words of men over the Word of God.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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  11. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Huh. These are the people who do the Bible translations, so you have a Bible to read. If you don’t trust them, how do you trust the translations?
     
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    God doesn’t say it’s a sin. Read. The. Words. They never say “homosexuality is a sin.” Ever. This is a message that you’re incorrectly extrapolating from something else.
     
  13. 3rdAngel

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    Huh. Rubbish!

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    9, Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    Parrallel translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 linked here click me...

    New International Version
    Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

    New Living Translation
    Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,

    English Standard Version
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

    Berean Study Bible
    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts,

    Berean Literal Bible
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    New American Standard Bible
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    King James Bible
    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    Christian Standard Bible
    Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or males who have sex with males,

    Contemporary English Version
    Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessings of God's kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual

    Good News Translation
    Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God's Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or anyone practicing homosexuality,

    International Standard Version
    You know that wicked people will not inherit the kingdom of God, don't you? Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

    NET Bible
    Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals,

    New Heart English Bible
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor men who have sexual relations with men,

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    Or do you not know that evil men do not inherit The Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; no fornicators, neither worshipers of idols, neither adulterers, neither sexual molesters, neither males lying down with males,

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,

    New American Standard 1977
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    Know ye not that the unjust shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals

    World English Bible
    Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

    Young's Literal Translation
    have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,

    ....................

    Yep pretty clear that the translators as shown in the link above (not yours) got it right and this is consistant with the Old Testament scriptures shown above that homosexuality was an express commandment by God which was forbidden and is an abomination in God's eyes Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13.

    Hope this is helpful to you.
     
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    Of course it is a sin as sin as defined in God's Word is the transgression of God's law or not believing and following God's Word *1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 14:23.

    God commanded people not to do it * Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13. If we break God's Commandments we commit sin.

    1 John 3:4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    It is those who do not practice sin (breaking God's commandments and and not believing God's Word) that know God and are God's children. Those who practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) according to the scriptures are lying and do not know God...

    1 John 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Hope this helps
     
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    Why would you assume I'm Christian
     
  16. Darkforbid

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    And now all you have to do find one supporting your argumentum ad verecundiam

    Bearing in mind saying it's just about the act would fail even in a first year theologic test
     
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    Let’s see the passage in Koine Greek.
     
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    Again: the texts never mention “homosexuality.”
     
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    Well, seeing as how I did graduate theology work under a few of them, and they say that it’s about the act, I’m pretty safe.
     
  20. 3rdAngel

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    No problem. Still says the same thing...

    Koine Greek linked

    ἀρσενοκοῖται arsenokoitai = homosexuals,

    Englishman's Concordance
    ἀρσενοκοῖται (arsenokoitai) — 1 Occurrence
    1 Corinthians 6:9 N-NMP
    GRK: μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται
    NAS: effeminate, nor homosexuals,
    KJV: nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    INT: effeminate nor homosexuals

    Hope this helps
     
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