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Born again christian

Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Faithofchristian said:
While that is true, but before the new testament scriptures were added, All people had to go by was the old testament scriptures.
Therefore the new testament scriptures will not work, when Jesus and Nicodemus were talking Al they had was the old testament scriptures to go by.

What your saying, would be like trying to take today's technology and trying to imply it to 400 years ago.it will not work.

So trying to take the new testament scriptures and try to imply it to the time of Jesus and Nicodemus will not work.
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That is not even in the same ball park with what he was saying.
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Well you just proved that you have no clue or idea anything about the Bible.
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I grew up Baptist, born again. I know that book pretty well. But, unlike many in that group, I started noticing things that didn't add up in the Bible. Christian apologetics never convincingly addressed the objections made about the Bible. I have read some of those apologetic: Mere Christianity, Evidence That Demands a Verdict etc. They are not convincing in regard to the divine source of the Bible.
 
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JJ50

Well-Known Member
Wandering Monk said:
I grew up Baptist, born again. I know that book pretty well. But, unlike many in that group, I started noticing things that didn't add up in the Bible. Christian apologetics never convincingly addressed the objections made about the Bible. I have read some of those apologetic: Mere Christianity, Evidence That Demands a Verdict etc. They are not convincing in regard to the divine source of the Bible.
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I was a born again too as a kid until I started asking serious questions about the Bible and realised like you it didn't add up.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Wandering Monk said:
I grew up Baptist, born again. I know that book pretty well. But, unlike many in that group, I started noticing things that didn't add up in the Bible. Christian apologetics never convincingly addressed the objections made about the Bible. I have read some of those apologetic: Mere Christianity, Evidence That Demands a Verdict etc. They are not convincing in regard to the divine source of the Bible.
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It is pretty simple. IF it were of divine origin, it would
not have a whopper like the flood story; if the story
is some sort of metaphor, then the whole book is
so subject to "interpretation" as to make it worthless.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
JJ50 said:
I was a born again too as a kid until I started asking serious questions about the Bible and realised like you it didn't add up.
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I was so lucky to not inherit any religion.

A somewhat relevant quote from Thoreau-
I see young men, my townsmen, whose misfortune it is to have inherited farms, houses, barns, cattle, and farming tools; for these are more easily acquired than got rid of. Better if they had been born in the open pasture and suckled by a wolf, that they might have seen with clearer eyes what field they were called to labor in. Who made them serfs of the soil? Why should they eat their sixty acres, when man is condemned to eat only his peck of dirt? Why should they begin digging their graves as soon as they are born?
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
I was so lucky to not inherit any religion.

A somewhat relevant quote from Thoreau-
I see young men, my townsmen, whose misfortune it is to have inherited farms, houses, barns, cattle, and farming tools; for these are more easily acquired than got rid of. Better if they had been born in the open pasture and suckled by a wolf, that they might have seen with clearer eyes what field they were called to labor in. Who made them serfs of the soil? Why should they eat their sixty acres, when man is condemned to eat only his peck of dirt? Why should they begin digging their graves as soon as they are born?
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The greatest predictor of religious affiliation is geography, where you were born.
 
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JJ50

Well-Known Member
Audie said:
I was so lucky to not inherit any religion.

A somewhat relevant quote from Thoreau-
I see young men, my townsmen, whose misfortune it is to have inherited farms, houses, barns, cattle, and farming tools; for these are more easily acquired than got rid of. Better if they had been born in the open pasture and suckled by a wolf, that they might have seen with clearer eyes what field they were called to labor in. Who made them serfs of the soil? Why should they eat their sixty acres, when man is condemned to eat only his peck of dirt? Why should they begin digging their graves as soon as they are born?
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I must admit I wish my childhood hadn't been spoilt by the, 'you must be saved', unpleasant dogma.
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Wandering Monk said:
So Jesus wrote the New Testament.
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Seeing that Jesus Christ is God and that it's written in the Bible that all scripture is given by God.
So what does that tell you?

2 Timothy 3:16--"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Faithofchristian said:
Seeing that Jesus Christ is God and that it's written in the Bible that all scripture is given by God.
So what does that tell you?

2 Timothy 3:16--"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
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First: When 2 Timothy 3:16 was written, there was no New Testament.

Second: How do you know Jesus Christ is God?
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Faithofchristian said:
Yes that maybe true, but by doing so, only makes people look foolish.
But when it comes to God's word, it is forbidden to add unto and take away from.

Alot of Christians knows this, but still they keep right on adding to and take away from God's word.
Is it any wonder why Jesus Christ said, the teachings of man's makes void the word of God.
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Funny how Christians added onto the OT, theeeeen decided it was wrong to add on. *snicker*
 
Deeje

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Wandering Monk said:
I grew up Baptist, born again. I know that book pretty well. But, unlike many in that group, I started noticing things that didn't add up in the Bible. Christian apologetics never convincingly addressed the objections made about the Bible. I have read some of those apologetic: Mere Christianity, Evidence That Demands a Verdict etc. They are not convincing in regard to the divine source of the Bible.
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What if its not the Bible that is wrong but the church's interpretation of it that is way off?
If you reject what the church teaches, do you necessarily have to reject the Bible and its author? Isn't that like throwing the baby out with the bathwater? :shrug:
 
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