1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

BLM is a hate group

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Cooky, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    Perhaps my earlier compliments emboldened you a bit too much, @epronovost.

    ...Now I must return you back to your place.
     
  2. epronovost

    epronovost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    2,506
    Ratings:
    +2,293
    Religion:
    Atheist/non-religious
    No the violence isn't done by the citizen per say. It's supported and desired by the citizen (or a group of citizen) through votes and political support. The violence itself is ennacted by agents of the government, most often the police and intelligence angencies. That's what "political violence" means. It's violent action perpetrated by the government, often with the support of a sizeable chunk of its citizens against a sub-set of it. Centrist politicians and voters reclaim it, and police officers (or other agents of the government depending on each case) ennact it on their behalf.
     
  3. MonkeyFire

    MonkeyFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +442
    Religion:
    Faithful Jesus believer
    Black lives matter.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    But we haven't been discussing "political violence"... We've been discussing "individual", and "fringe group" acts of violence.

    ...Let's stop shifting the goalposts. o_O

    Besides, political violence is not exclusively centrist. It can be anywhere in the spectrum.
     
    #164 Cooky, Jan 2, 2021
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2021
  5. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    White lives matter.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  6. epronovost

    epronovost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    2,506
    Ratings:
    +2,293
    Religion:
    Atheist/non-religious
    Well if you want to just discuss fringe groups you are correct. Of course centrist can't be part of it since, by definition they are the majority of people. Of course centrist individual commit individual acts of violence, but these aren't motivated by a desire fo political changes.

    How about Qanon and conspiracy theory motivated violence though? They are definitely political in nature, but they are difficult to place on the right-center-left spectrum. Where would you place them?
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  7. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    Qanon are far-right extremists here in America. Generally most conspiracy theorists are just unstable people with health issues.
     
  8. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2005
    Messages:
    47,800
    Ratings:
    +11,952
    Purple penguins prefer petrified pickles.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  9. epronovost

    epronovost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    2,506
    Ratings:
    +2,293
    Religion:
    Atheist/non-religious
    About 25% of people believe in some form of conspiracy theory. That's a lot of people to simply brush it aside as "crazy people" (though it's true that some conspiracy theories are crazier than others).
     
  10. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    What causes alot of conspiracy theories too, is the human inclination to create abstract thoughts for problem solving... For example, a person will see a famous child molesting celebrity in the news, and then a month later a child molesting priest on the news, and then a month later, he will see random politicians in photographs with both priests and said celebrity.

    ...It would be human nature to attempt to draw a personal conclusion, by combining the three isolated incidents as a collective thought (call it Qanon)... This is what "abstract thinking" is -- When in reality, the three incidents are exactly three separate, unrelated incidents. This is how all conspiracy theories are created.

    So I suppose you might be correct when you say it can't all be mental illness. In fact, it would be more correct to call it average human behavior.

    However, if one could educate himself on what abstract thinking is, and how it's a natural human instinct, he might then be more inclined to test his abstractions for potential fault, and not allow himself to become radicalized out of mere instinctive nature.

    Understanding Abstract Thinking: Development, Benefits & More
     
    #170 Cooky, Jan 2, 2021
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2021
  11. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    I believe abstract thinking can play a major role in religion too, where our minds play tricks on us.

    For instance 3 out of 16 chapters repeat a common theme, under different pretexts. This in turn activates the abstract thinking neurons in the brain to begin linking this theme from it's 3 different sources, and through the natural instinct of abstract thinking, a personal theory is born.. Or "belief" if you will.

    And like conspiracies cause radicalism, so too does religious belief. Because they are linked neurologically, using the same system. And are both stamped deep within the longterm memory.
     
  12. MonkeyFire

    MonkeyFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +442
    Religion:
    Faithful Jesus believer
    You don't say that. Are white ppl facing systemic racism? Come up with your own slogan that doesn't mock and belittle black lives.
     
  13. MonkeyFire

    MonkeyFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +442
    Religion:
    Faithful Jesus believer
    The **** does that mean?
     
  14. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... No..?

    Okay, then how about: "It's okay to be white", could that be the white motto?
     
  15. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2005
    Messages:
    47,800
    Ratings:
    +11,952
    It means that petrified pickles are preferred by purple penguins.
    I mean, what else can it mean?
     
  16. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    it's okay, it's okay... Don't get mad.
     
  17. Cooky

    Cooky Veteran Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2018
    Messages:
    11,639
    Ratings:
    +2,355
    Religion:
    Catholic
    I wonder if perceived "racism" is also the culprit of abstract thinking...?

    The media plays instances over and over, of different cases of police harming black people over many years, while not airing white on white shootings. Naturally, using the abstract thought process, it would be normal human behavior to conclude that racism is a very big problem.

    ...But the bigger problem is that, like religion, it's stamped in the long-term memory part of the brain, and creates *radicalized* behaviors, like some religions and conspiracies can, and can even progress into the burning down of buildings!
     
    #177 Cooky, Jan 2, 2021
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2021
  18. epronovost

    epronovost Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2019
    Messages:
    2,506
    Ratings:
    +2,293
    Religion:
    Atheist/non-religious
    Unfortunately (or fortunately it depends on your perspective), racial prejudices against black people in the US by law enforcement has been studied by academics for decades and has been quantified on several points. There is an entire field in sociology, law and history dedicated to it. Disproportionate use of force against black suspect, bias and unfair treatment by the law towards them and even political participation repression efforts have all been observed, studied, quantified and analysed. In fact there is so much data on it in the US that denial of racism toward black people by the police and the justice system could be considered conspirational thinking.
     
  19. MonkeyFire

    MonkeyFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +442
    Religion:
    Faithful Jesus believer
    White people aren't being murdered by their mother****ing government.
     
  20. MonkeyFire

    MonkeyFire Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2014
    Messages:
    2,357
    Ratings:
    +442
    Religion:
    Faithful Jesus believer
    You hate black people?
     
Loading...