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Bible Prophecy as Evidence of a bible writers trustworthiness

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
It’s interesting that naysayers of the Biblical prophecies almost always point out seeming discrepancies within these prophecies, or at least what seems to be, but with other prophecies where they can’t find inaccuracies, they almost always say, “Well, these were written after the fact.”

Basically, this amounts to accusations of deliberate fraud perpetrated by these ancient Israelite/Jewish authors.

But if that were so, these ancient Biblical books would not have been held in such respect and esteem by their ancient contemporaries, who would’ve known the truth, and future generations as they have... these books would have been severely censured as fraudulent.

But this so-called “Higher criticism“ has only occurred within the last 200 years or so.

If Isaiah, Jeremiah and others had been written “after the fact,” why would they have spent so much effort in writing many pages & begging the Israelites/Jews to turn around & repent so that such discipline / punishment not come upon them from Assyria, Babylon, etc....if the events had already happened?

What motive could there possibly be from these writers? It certainly wasn’t money.
And these Israelite/Jewish authors as individuals weren’t doing it to promote Jehovah to the world....they were happy with their own tribes & way of life, known to avoid interaction with other nations.

The authors of these Biblical prophecies, if writing solely to mislead, would’ve had some pretty dark motives for such a clandestine effort!

Of course, many of us are aware of the motives of a few Biblical detractors: the Bible sets forth some guidelines that “interfered with our sexual freedom,” as Aldous Huxley stated in “Ends and Means” & a lot of people don’t want to follow these guidelines, and others set forth in Scripture.

I would suggest that in the interests of accuracy, detractors should re-examine their own motives, and apply some critical thinking and reasoning to what is assumed, and what is actually known.

Examining the writings of Sir Frederic G. Kenyon, would be a fine start.

@Bree , good thread. I leave it with you, my sister.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I think it is almost impossible to convince atheist by Biblical prophesies and Biblical ideals.

Because if atheist does not believe in GOD, surely he/she would not believe the Biblical Scriptures.

But archeological evidence that support Biblical Scriptures and prophesies are very convincing, particularly discovered by secular archeologists.

Biblical archeology also very important and beneficial and for those who believe in GOD.

Biblical archeology creates better understanding of life in the past and increases Biblical knowledge.

This is my own experience.
Not necessarily. Even very religious people, sharing the same bits of Scriptures with you, do not believe in the most important prophecy fulfilment of your own religion. Namely, that Jesus was the fulfilment of a prophecy. These people are the Jews.

And if you do not even agree among yourself about the most basic tenets allegedly entailed by the same books, I wonder how you can expect skeptics to do that.

Ciao

- viole
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
The persian empire extended far north of Babylon. They were Northern invaders.

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The heart of his Empire is situated in Persia which is East to Babylon. Both capitals of Cyrus were even South East not North.
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From its 537 bce conquest by the Medes and Persians, it went into a steady decline until it eventually became a mound of ruins....as it still is today.
After Alexander's death at Babylon in 323 BCE, in the Wars of the Diadochi, his successors fought over his empire generally and the city specifically to the point where the residents fled for their safety (or, according to one ancient report, were relocated). By the time the Parthian Empire ruled the region in 141 BCE, Babylon was deserted and forgotten. The city steadily fell into ruin and, even during a brief revival under the Sassanian Empire, never approached its former greatness.
In the Muslim conquest of the land in 650 CE whatever remained of Babylon was swept away and, in time, was buried beneath the sands.


Except it wasn't destroyed by Cyrus at all. It remained a large prosperous city, even the capital of Alexander the Great capital after he conquered it. It was largely abandoned during the Diadochi war, as I mentionned when people migrated to Seleucia, situated 40 km north. You just also quoted yourself that the city had a brief rival during under Sassanid Empire, which is also "not being destroyed" and finally disappeared following the Muslim conquest and the construction of Bagdad 40 km South of it. The city was never "forgotten" though if only because of the preserved writings of the Greeks. In other words, if the prophecy is: the city of Babylon will be destroyed by Cyrus the Great and forgotten by time, then the prophecy is false. Cyrus the Great took the city without destroying it and it remained one of the most important city in the world for 200 years before slowly decaying due to wars and migrations until it was definitely abandoned during the Middle Ages.



So you think that because Isaiah mentioned 'Cyrus' by name, it means he wrote it much later then claimed? That sounds like a denial of prophecy because it was too accurate.

He certainly did mention Cyrus by name and Isaiah lived in the 7th century. He certainly wasnt around in the 5th century to write the prophecy.

The character of Isaiah is fictional. The text was written in 3rd century BC. Anybody can add anything they want to the supposed saying of Isaiah in meantime (if he ever existed).
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
If Isaiah, Jeremiah and others had been written “after the fact,” why would they have spent so much effort in writing many pages & begging the Israelites/Jews to turn around & repent so that such discipline / punishment not come upon them from Assyria, Babylon, etc....if the events had already happened?

What motive could there possibly be from these writers?

The narrative of the old Testament is the national pseudo-history of the Hebrew as written by survivors of a series of wars and exiles. Their story isn't accurate because they had to work from word to mouth and lost archive and a desire to make a narrative that make sense with their image of themselves and their contemporary issues. It's the actual history of the Hebrews, it's the history of the Hebrew as they remembered it, hoe they feel about it and, a bit, how they wish it was, ignoring and hiding some more distasteful parts as usual. It's also told from the point of view of a faction of Hebrew, its priest cast, with a specific political and social objective.

PS: The OT was written over a span of 5 centuries for the parts quoted in this thread. Some parts are as recent as AD dates, while others dat back to the early exile period. Isaiah dates back from the 3rd century BC which is about the average. There re older parts.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You would need to take each writer on their own merits and test their writings. They are not believed in based on blind faith. They are believed in based on the truthfulness of their word, the compatibility of their teachings and the evidence they give to back up their claims.
I'll take this as your way of agreeing that the credibility of one book of the Bible doesn't automatically confer credibility to the other books.

For example, When Moses was asked to go to the Israelites in Egypt, he was afraid the they would not believe God sent him. So he said to God Exodus 4:1 "“But suppose they do not believe me and do not listen to my voice,+ for they will say, ‘Jehovah did not appear to you.’”'
To prove to the men of Isreal that God had sent him, he was given 3 miracles to perform. Ex 4:1-9.
So the people God was looking to convince got actual, firsthand miracles?

Not hearsay accounts of miracles?

Not "fulfilled if you interpret certain terms in a certain way and squint a bit" prophecy?

So when we are talking about Paul, apart from his writings which conformed to the hebrew scriptures, he did not contradict other bible writers AND he was also performing miracles which is why so many became believers because of him.
I think we have a few threads here from some of our Jewish members about all the ways that Paul didn't conform to Jewish scriptures, and the Skeptic's Annotated Bible sure lists a lot of contradictions in the Pauline Epistles.

All that aside, we haven't seen any actual miracles from Paul; we only have unverifiable hearsay stories of miracles, which isn't exactly compelling.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The persian empire extended far north of Babylon. They were Northern invaders.
Would you say that the prophecy would have been just as true if it talked of "southern invaders"?
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Quoted from World History article
From its 537 bce conquest by the Medes and Persians, it went into a steady decline until it eventually became a mound of ruins....as it still is today.
After Alexander's death at Babylon in 323 BCE, in the Wars of the Diadochi, his successors fought over his empire generally and the city specifically to the point where the residents fled for their safety (or, according to one ancient report, were relocated). By the time the Parthian Empire ruled the region in 141 BCE, Babylon was deserted and forgotten. The city steadily fell into ruin and, even during a brief revival under the Sassanian Empire, never approached its former greatness.
In the Muslim conquest of the land in 650 CE whatever remained of Babylon was swept away and, in time, was buried beneath the sands.




So you think that because Isaiah mentioned 'Cyrus' by name, it means he wrote it much later then claimed? That sounds like a denial of prophecy because it was too accurate.

He certainly did mention Cyrus by name and Isaiah lived in the 7th century. He certainly wasnt around in the 5th century to write the prophecy.
Why do you assume that a historical Isaiah wrote all of Isaiah?

A quick Googling suggests to me that the book was written in 3 phases over ~200 years. How did you exclude this possibility?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Name an ancient city that was never conquered and ruined.


There's other abandoned cities.

Lots that have been rebuilt many times

Two cities mentioned in the bible prophecy:
Babylon - it would fall (like they all do) and never be inhabited again. That's odd... but it happened.
Rome - it would fall but never fall - Rome fell but the East didn't for a 1,000 years. And after that
there's was the Holy Roman Empire, and the rule of Rome during the Papal power for about 1500
years. For 2,000 years everyone wants to be the 'new Rome', today's it's America.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I'll take this as your way of agreeing that the credibility of one book of the Bible doesn't automatically confer credibility to the other books.


So the people God was looking to convince got actual, firsthand miracles?

Not hearsay accounts of miracles?

Not "fulfilled if you interpret certain terms in a certain way and squint a bit" prophecy?


I think we have a few threads here from some of our Jewish members about all the ways that Paul didn't conform to Jewish scriptures, and the Skeptic's Annotated Bible sure lists a lot of contradictions in the Pauline Epistles.

All that aside, we haven't seen any actual miracles from Paul; we only have unverifiable hearsay stories of miracles, which isn't exactly compelling.

The " immune to snake bite" miracle
was phony.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There have been many so called prophets and 'holy men' who claim to have been the mouthpiece of God. We have many historical religious leaders and those who have created entire new branches of christiantiy. We've seen new religions spring up all claiming divine authorship.

So this is to look specifically at how fulfilled bible prophecy gives us confidence and trust that the bible is a source that is truly from God.

An outstanding prophecy is about the destruction of the ancient city of Babylon.
The prophets Jeremiah, & Isaiah wrote about its coming destruction hundreds of years before it happened.
Jeremiah wrote in 625bce

Jeremiah 50
1 The word that Jehovah spoke concerning Babylon,+ concerning the land of the Chal·deʹans, through Jeremiah the prophet:...3. For a nation has come against her from the north.+
38 There is a devastation on her waters, and they will be dried up.+....She will never again be inhabited,
Nor will she be a place of residence throughout all generations.”+
40 ... “no one will dwell there, and no man will settle there.+


Isaiah actually named the ruler who would be the one to destroy Babylon 200 years before the event.

Isaiah 44:24 This is what Jehovah says,...25 I am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers,*
...26 The One making the word of his servant come true
And completely fulfilling the predictions of his messengers;+The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be inhabited,’+And of the cities of Judah, ‘They will be rebuilt,+And I will restore her ruins’;+
27 The One saying to the deep waters, ‘Be evaporated,And I will dry up all your rivers’;+
28 The One saying of Cyrus,+ ‘He is my shepherd,And he will completely carry out all my will’;+
The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be rebuilt,’And of the temple, ‘Your foundation will be laid.’”
+

After the destruction of Babylon the jews were released and were able to return to their homeland, Jerusalem, which lay in ruins. They rebuilt the city and temple as foretold.


The destruction of Babylon is explained by the historical facts (see link)
Babylon - World History Encyclopedia

"The Persian Conquest & Babylon's Decline
The Neo-Babylonian Empire continued after the death of Nebuchadnezzar II and Babylon continued to play an important role in the region under the rule of Nabonidus and his successor Belshazzar (featured in the biblical Book of Daniel). In 539 BCE the empire fell to the Persians under Cyrus the Great at the Battle of Opis. Babylon's walls were impregnable and so the Persians cleverly devised a plan whereby they diverted the course of the Euphrates River so that it fell to a manageable depth.

UNDER PERSIAN RULE, BABYLON FLOURISHED AS A CENTER OF ART & EDUCATION.
While the residents of the city were distracted by one of their great religious feast days, the Persian army waded the river and marched under the walls of Babylon unnoticed. It was claimed the city was taken without a fight although documents of the time indicate that repairs had to be made to the walls and some sections of the city and so perhaps the action was not as effortless as the Persian account maintained."



And thousands of years later the ancient city of Babylon has never been inhabited, it has never prospered and it remains a heap of ruins today.
This is just 1 example of bible prophecy that can build confidence in the bible as Gods Word.
To paraphrase the late great Martin Gardner, evidence of successful remote prophecy is overwhelming evidence of fraud ─ the account is written after the event.

To be persuasive evidence of supernatural foreknowledge, the actual words of the original prophecy must be very clearly documented and dated, the event foretold must be remote, complex and unlikely, and its fulfillment must comply exactly with the terms of the original, be very clearly authenticated, and not be the result of politics inspired by the prophecy.

For instance, one of the reasons we can date the gospel of Mark to later than 70 CE is because in Mark 13:2 Jesus "predicts" the destruction of Jerusalem (70 CE).
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Two cities mentioned in the bible prophecy:
Babylon - it would fall (like they all do) and never be inhabited again. That's odd... but it happened.
Rome - it would fall but never fall - Rome fell but the East didn't for a 1,000 years. And after that
there's was the Holy Roman Empire, and the rule of Rome during the Papal power for about 1500
years. For 2,000 years everyone wants to be the 'new Rome', today's it's America.

As noted the actual history of Babylon
is a poor fit.
USA is Rome.
This is a worse fit.
The there's the Tyre "prophecy"
which is a total flop.
Id be impressed with real
prophecy.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
The question is rather, if God is true do you have a better way for such a truth to convey, under the circumstance that a covenant demands faith for humans to be saved.

God's truth is conveyed by choosing a chosen people as the legitimate authority for the credibility check of a prophet. This is explicit, no other religion has such a chosen people.

An analogy is, the US government can actually appoint CNN or Fox News as its chosen media to make announcements for the government. CNN will examine the credibility and legitimacy of the spokesman who gave out the announcements. That's how it works.

Moreover, if the US government has a crucial announcement for its citizens, CNN should be facing all citizens and should convey the news to all states, not just Indian or California. Now which religion has an explicit command and mission to preach/broadcast the good news to all nations?

So God is about how eyewitnesses in the different periods of time all witnessed the same God.

Do you have a better way for such a truth to convey? You don't!!! That's what it is.
 
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Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
To paraphrase the late great Martin Gardner, evidence of successful remote prophecy is overwhelming evidence of fraud ─ the account is written after the event.

To be persuasive evidence of supernatural foreknowledge, the actual words of the original prophecy must be very clearly documented and dated, the event foretold must be remote, complex and unlikely, and its fulfillment must comply exactly with the terms of the original, be very clearly authenticated, and not be the result of politics inspired by the prophecy.

For instance, one of the reasons we can date the gospel of Mark to later than 70 CE is because in Mark 13:2 Jesus "predicts" the destruction of Jerusalem (70 CE).
A desperate need to relegate all prophecy to history is at the root of this atheistic, or humanistic, revisionism of traditional dating. As you are well aware, without prophecy there is no evidence for 'special revelation', or of God revealing His will to mankind through the Bible. Such revisionism, IMO, appeals only to the adversaries of God.

Anyone who looks into this carefully will see that there is good evidence to support prophetic utterance. Prophets were a feature of life in Israel under the Law. The kings of lsrael and Judah relied upon their advice to guide the nation. [In the NT, prophecy is a manifestation of the indwelling Holy Spirit.]

In the last few years, a significant archaeological discovery was made in Jerusalem. Two seals were found close together, one belonging to Hezekiah, the other to Isaiah. Owing to the incontrovertible evidence for Hezekiah's reign, no doubts have been raised about the period in which he lived (8th century BCE). But sceptics have recently attempted to suggest that the book of Isaiah was written after the events he prophesied, including the prophecy about Cyrus. The recent archaeological discoveries in Jerusalem make traditional dating, and the belief in prophetic utterances (from prophets called by God), appear well founded.

Enjoy a read of this article!
A Lesson from King Hezekiah and Isaiah
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
@Bree
Didn't you noticed that the prophecy you called accurate was actually inaccurate. The Persian didn't come from the North of Babylon but from the East. The city of Babylon wasn't destroyed and never inhabited again. It remained one of the most populous and important city in the world for another 300 years and remained in existence as a temple city for around 900 years more. That "victory" looks like its filled with errors. The Euphrates was never dried up. It was actually used to flood the city. The Euphrates still flows in Mesopotamia today. Babylon wasn't even seriously damaged nor its population massacred by the forces of Cyrus and the city continued to prosper for centuries and wasn't destroyed by any war. It was actually slowly abandoned with the construction of a new city Seleucia close it where the population migrated to. Babylon was thus largely abandon by a process of migration yet it remained as a "city temple" that is a site of religious importance where large ceremonies were held though sparsely populated on the daily. It grew back a little importance during the Sassanid Empire era and was finally abandoned and partially demolished during the conquest of the region by the Arabs who used the city and its temples as a source of bricks to build Bagdad. Archeological findings seems to indicate that the city was inhabited up until the first millennium AD.

I would like to mention that both the book of Jeremiah and Isaiah were written significantly later than you claim, at least for Isaiah which specifically mentioned Cyrus by name and the reconstruction of Jerusalem's Temple. If you used the Christian texts for those books [Jeremiah and Isaiah] (slightly different than the Jewish ones), they were written around the 3rd century BC, well AFTER the even they describe. Isaiah would have been slowly compiled from various sources from the 8th century BC to the 5th century BC until it was completed to what we can read today. In other words, they aren't even prophecy more than backtracked comments on history.

I can't trust any source, because I don't know the authors. However, I could show you what I found.

Wasn't Babylon supposed to be desolate forever?

The website, above, indicates that there were two Babylons. It says: "The neo-Babylonian empire was conquered by Cyrus about 2500 years ago.....The city was buried in sand until the late 1800's, when archaeologists rediscovered the site."

Euphrates diverted to flood "old" Babylon, then flood was stopped (Euphrates still flowed, but was no longer diverted into the city, so the city dried).

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-B...ever-be-inhabited-again-after-its-destruction

Website (above) says:

"not get confused with the Great Babylon of Revelation" (wrote David Donnelly)

[Euphrates] "undermined the walls of Babylon, and they had fallen into the river and changed its course."

"prophecies stated that after its fall no one would inhabit it. The city carried on for some time, but after a revolt against Xerxes in 482 B.C, much of the city was destroyed. The fertile land which kept the city supplied with food had been maintained by a massive system of canals and dykes, but there were too few people to maintain them, and they went back to being marshland."

A Prophecy About Babylon Confirms the Accuracy of the Bible

Website (by Ryan Foster) says:

"Isaiah was a prophet who began to prophesy the year that King Uzziah of Judah died, which was around 740 B.C."


"Sennacherib made this inscription about his victory: "I made its destruction more complete than by a flood. That in days to come the site of that city, and (its) temples and gods, might not be remembered, I completely blotted it out with (floods) of water and made it like a meadow." (Daniel D. Luckenbill, Ancient Records of Assyria and Babylonia 1926-1927, Volume 2, page 152).

"after Sennacherib died, his son Esarhaddon began to rebuild Babylon. Soon Babylon became an important city in the Assyrian Empire like it had been before."

"The Greek historian Herodotus, who wrote about Babylon about 100 years later, described how Cyrus’ army captured the city. Part of the army went north of Babylon and dug a trench from the Euphrates River to a nearby marsh. When the army connected the trench to the Euphrates River, much of the water in the river flowed toward the marsh, while only a little water continued to flow toward Babylon. While the Babylonians were confidently celebrating a feast, the strong river and moat protecting the city became very shallow, and the Medes and Persians were able to enter the city (Herodotus 1.191). They captured the city without a battle, and Darius the Mede was put in charge (Daniel 5:31)."

"After Alexander’s death, Seleucus I gained control of a large part of the Middle East, including Babylonia. He did not share Alexander’s grand vision for Babylon. Instead he built a new city called Seleucia, nearby on the Tigris River. An ancient clay tablet shows that Seleucus’ son ordered most of the population of Babylon to move to this new city in 275 B.C. (M.M. Austin, The Hellenistic World From Alexander to the Roman Conquest, 1981, p. 241)."
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
There have been many so called prophets and 'holy men' who claim to have been the mouthpiece of God. We have many historical religious leaders and those who have created entire new branches of christiantiy. We've seen new religions spring up all claiming divine authorship.

So this is to look specifically at how fulfilled bible prophecy gives us confidence and trust that the bible is a source that is truly from God.

An outstanding prophecy is about the destruction of the ancient city of Babylon.
The prophets Jeremiah, & Isaiah wrote about its coming destruction hundreds of years before it happened.
Jeremiah wrote in 625bce

Jeremiah 50
1 The word that Jehovah spoke concerning Babylon,+ concerning the land of the Chal·deʹans, through Jeremiah the prophet:...3. For a nation has come against her from the north.+
38 There is a devastation on her waters, and they will be dried up.+....She will never again be inhabited,
Nor will she be a place of residence throughout all generations.”+
40 ... “no one will dwell there, and no man will settle there.+


Isaiah actually named the ruler who would be the one to destroy Babylon 200 years before the event.

Isaiah 44:24 This is what Jehovah says,...25 I am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers,*
...26 The One making the word of his servant come true
And completely fulfilling the predictions of his messengers;+The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be inhabited,’+And of the cities of Judah, ‘They will be rebuilt,+And I will restore her ruins’;+
27 The One saying to the deep waters, ‘Be evaporated,And I will dry up all your rivers’;+
28 The One saying of Cyrus,+ ‘He is my shepherd,And he will completely carry out all my will’;+
The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be rebuilt,’And of the temple, ‘Your foundation will be laid.’”
+

After the destruction of Babylon the jews were released and were able to return to their homeland, Jerusalem, which lay in ruins. They rebuilt the city and temple as foretold.


The destruction of Babylon is explained by the historical facts (see link)
Babylon - World History Encyclopedia

"The Persian Conquest & Babylon's Decline
The Neo-Babylonian Empire continued after the death of Nebuchadnezzar II and Babylon continued to play an important role in the region under the rule of Nabonidus and his successor Belshazzar (featured in the biblical Book of Daniel). In 539 BCE the empire fell to the Persians under Cyrus the Great at the Battle of Opis. Babylon's walls were impregnable and so the Persians cleverly devised a plan whereby they diverted the course of the Euphrates River so that it fell to a manageable depth.

UNDER PERSIAN RULE, BABYLON FLOURISHED AS A CENTER OF ART & EDUCATION.
While the residents of the city were distracted by one of their great religious feast days, the Persian army waded the river and marched under the walls of Babylon unnoticed. It was claimed the city was taken without a fight although documents of the time indicate that repairs had to be made to the walls and some sections of the city and so perhaps the action was not as effortless as the Persian account maintained."



And thousands of years later the ancient city of Babylon has never been inhabited, it has never prospered and it remains a heap of ruins today.
This is just 1 example of bible prophecy that can build confidence in the bible as Gods Word.

God said "thou shalt not kill." Satan rules by fear, greed, and lies, and often pretends that he is doing God's work (fightin' the Axis of Evil)," and many don't recognize Satan and they follow Satan.

How can you tell the difference between God (who says not to kill) and Satan (who tells you to kill)? Is there any way that we can tell the two apart? Follow the blood trail. Look for wars, death, suffering, starvation...and you will be able to recognize Satan and stop following Satan.


In Revelation (a chapter in the New Testatment Christian bible) God warned everyone not to attack Iraq or face his wrath. For example, Revelation 15 (seven plagues).

You are afraid of false prophets. I personally know the true prophets of God. They have been the most powerful psychics on earth prior to being chosen by God to give the world his prophecy about Iraq. Their prophecies are exactly identical to the prophecies of Revelation. Why, then, did God want to give duplicate prophecies? Because few heeded the prophecies of Revelation, and ignored the bible and ignored and defied God. So, God gave us all one more chance to obey Him (by warning us with modern day prophets).
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
There have been many so called prophets and 'holy men' who claim to have been the mouthpiece of God. We have many historical religious leaders and those who have created entire new branches of christiantiy. We've seen new religions spring up all claiming divine authorship.

So this is to look specifically at how fulfilled bible prophecy gives us confidence and trust that the bible is a source that is truly from God.

An outstanding prophecy is about the destruction of the ancient city of Babylon.
The prophets Jeremiah, & Isaiah wrote about its coming destruction hundreds of years before it happened.
Jeremiah wrote in 625bce

Jeremiah 50
1 The word that Jehovah spoke concerning Babylon,+ concerning the land of the Chal·deʹans, through Jeremiah the prophet:...3. For a nation has come against her from the north.+
38 There is a devastation on her waters, and they will be dried up.+....She will never again be inhabited,
Nor will she be a place of residence throughout all generations.”+
40 ... “no one will dwell there, and no man will settle there.+


Isaiah actually named the ruler who would be the one to destroy Babylon 200 years before the event.

Isaiah 44:24 This is what Jehovah says,...25 I am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers,*
...26 The One making the word of his servant come true
And completely fulfilling the predictions of his messengers;+The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be inhabited,’+And of the cities of Judah, ‘They will be rebuilt,+And I will restore her ruins’;+
27 The One saying to the deep waters, ‘Be evaporated,And I will dry up all your rivers’;+
28 The One saying of Cyrus,+ ‘He is my shepherd,And he will completely carry out all my will’;+
The One saying of Jerusalem, ‘She will be rebuilt,’And of the temple, ‘Your foundation will be laid.’”
+

After the destruction of Babylon the jews were released and were able to return to their homeland, Jerusalem, which lay in ruins. They rebuilt the city and temple as foretold.


The destruction of Babylon is explained by the historical facts (see link)
Babylon - World History Encyclopedia

"The Persian Conquest & Babylon's Decline
The Neo-Babylonian Empire continued after the death of Nebuchadnezzar II and Babylon continued to play an important role in the region under the rule of Nabonidus and his successor Belshazzar (featured in the biblical Book of Daniel). In 539 BCE the empire fell to the Persians under Cyrus the Great at the Battle of Opis. Babylon's walls were impregnable and so the Persians cleverly devised a plan whereby they diverted the course of the Euphrates River so that it fell to a manageable depth.

UNDER PERSIAN RULE, BABYLON FLOURISHED AS A CENTER OF ART & EDUCATION.
While the residents of the city were distracted by one of their great religious feast days, the Persian army waded the river and marched under the walls of Babylon unnoticed. It was claimed the city was taken without a fight although documents of the time indicate that repairs had to be made to the walls and some sections of the city and so perhaps the action was not as effortless as the Persian account maintained."



And thousands of years later the ancient city of Babylon has never been inhabited, it has never prospered and it remains a heap of ruins today.
This is just 1 example of bible prophecy that can build confidence in the bible as Gods Word.

Indeed, and skeptics can review 60 major prophecies fulfilled by Israel since 1948 that verify the Bible is true, and thus, as the Bible claims, the necessity to trust Jesus, not one's self, for salvation.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
If you look at the prophecy of Tyre, God was talking about the fortress in the sea that was destroyed.
The Destruction of Tyre (Fulfilled Prophecy) - Engage 360 Ministries

IT also talked about it being destroyed by a specific king of Babylon who notoriously failed in the endeavor. The sea fortress was destroyed by Alexander the Great, but it was mostly rebuilt afterward. So no, it was a total failure of a prophecy, just like the total destruction of Babylon by Cyrus. They got the wrong person in the wrong era. At that rate you could declare true my prophecy that George Washington destroyed the British Empire. Much like Isaiah, I make that prophecy about events that almost 300 years prior, invovled correctly two opponents that were indeed at war against one another, the British Empire has indeed been dissoluted too. The problem is that I attribute the dissolution of the British Empire to the wrong person and the said dissolution didn't even happened in the same era. Nobody would write such a thing in a history textbook, let alone declare it ''proof of the accuracy'' of the book where it would be found.
 
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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Of course, many of us are aware of the motives of a few Biblical detractors: the Bible sets forth some guidelines that “interfered with our sexual freedom,” as Aldous Huxley stated in “Ends and Means” & a lot of people don’t want to follow these guidelines, and others set forth in Scripture.

I would suggest that in the interests of accuracy, detractors should re-examine their own motives, and apply some critical thinking and reasoning to what is assumed, and what is actually known.
Ok, let’s do some critical thinking.

Appeal to motive is a logical fallacy. It would be like me telling you that in truth you reject the Quran, not because you find the Bible more convincing, but because you do not want to renounce your pork chops and beer.

Therefore, your explanation why people reject prophecy, like all arguments spoiled by one or more logical fallacies, can be considered technically irrational.


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IT also talked about it being destroyed by a specific king of Babylon who notoriously failed in the endeavor. The sea fortress was destroyed by Alexander the Great, but it was mostly rebuilt afterward. So no, it was a total failure of a prophecy, just like the total destruction of Babylon by Cyrus. They got the wrong person in the wrong era. At that rate you could declare true my prophecy that George Washington destroyed the British Empire. Much like Isaiah, I make that prophecy about events that almost 300 years prior, invovled correctly two opponents that were indeed at war against one another, the British Empire has indeed been dissoluted too. The problem is that I attribute the dissolution of the British Empire to the wrong person and the said dissolution didn't even happened in the same era. Nobody would write such a thing in a history textbook, let alone declare it ''proof of the accuracy'' of the book where it would be found.


Tyre in Prophecy - Apologetics Press
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member

As the website recognize, the prophecy is a complete failure; only by playing semantic can it be mildly salvaged. All in all, Tyre was not destroyed and consigned to oblivion. It wasn't conquered by the Babylonian. The damage they casued was fully repaired. Another conquerer took the city and destroyed, yet is was repaired again and stands, inhabited to this day. It was never forgotten or abandoned completely.
 
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