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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by AT-AT, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    Messed up, yes. Let your imagination carry you.
    Days of siege and terror for the town, the sense
    of coming doom.
    The enemy breaks in, and the slaughter begins.
    Building to building to building the blood splashed
    invaders go, killing, setting fires, stealing.

    AFTER killing the entire family right in front of
    her terrified eyes, our 14 yr old girl is the only
    one left alive.

    It is not weird how they determined who is a
    virgin, it is kind of obvious what they did.

    All sanctioned by god. God is love.
    Right. I want nothing to do with such a "faith".
     
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  2. Israel Khan

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    I have no words for what you wrote. Can't argue with it.

    Things is, I understand if a God would destroy people himself. But why get his own people to do it? Wouldn't it be traumatizing for them? Wouldn't it corrupt them knowing what we know now about the psychological affects of violence?

    Also, what you wrote above is an example about the power of story. It is way more impactful than saying that God killed innocent people. And there is so much in those few sentences to pick apart and speculate on to help our minds grow. Well done. :)
     
  3. Milton Platt

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    "Slavery in the bible was the equivalent of maids and servants of today" Not Hardly. If you beat an employee, you go to jail. If you beat a slave and he lives for at least 2 days before dying from his injuries, it's perfectly okay (according to scripture) You cannot go to another nation today and buy a person and call them a "maid". It's called human trafficking.

    "slaves had to be freed after 7 years." This applies only to slaves who were also Jews.

    Exodus 21:16 I think this also applies to Jews only.

    Deuteronomy 24:7 Again, slaves were bought from surrounding nations, so this does not apply. The scripture clearly tells Israel to buy their slaves from the surrounding nations which would not be "brother Israelites".

    In short, the god of the bible sanctioned slavery, genocide, infanticide, human sacrifice, kidnapping (of people from other nations)

    You may argue that a creator owns his creation. Does that mean he is not immoral when he does and governs immoral acts? No, he is immoral for doing so. this gives you an immoral god, You are welcome to him. He certainly isn't worthy of worship. Both you and I have higher morals.
     
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  4. Israel Khan

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    I did mention the beating of slaves in my previous comment. I would qualify your statement and say you cannot "legally" buy a person today from another nation.


    I will do more research into this.



    This quote:

    Leviticus 25:42 For they are My servants, whom I freed from the land of Egypt; they may not give themselves over into servitude.—25:43 You shall not rule over him ruthlessly; you shall fear your God. 25:44 Such male and female slaves as you may have—it is from the nations round about you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 25:45You may also buy them from among the children of aliens resident among you, or from their families that are among you, whom they begot in your land. These shall become your property: 25:46 you may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property for all time. Such you may treat as slaves. But as for your Israelite kinsmen, no one shall rule ruthlessly over the other.

    I think they were then able to buy slaves, but they weren't allowed to kidnap people for slavery, as the quote you are referring to doesn't specify who cannot be kidnapped.

    The Leviticus quote I wrote shows that gentile slaves are permanent slaves. So you have correctly corrected me.

    I am still not sure about the kidnapping from other nations but then taking virgins could be considered doing so.

    Morality is subjective. If a creator exists then he decides what morality is based on his own subjectivity and we view that as morality because he decides for us.

    As for us having higher moral standards, that is based on which morality you and I follow. And I still don't know how we get to those moral standards clearly. I just seem to know what is right and wrong innately.
     
  5. Muffled

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    I believe that seems like apples and oranges to me. There never is any reason to be critical of the truth. However the skills are valuable for interpretation.
     
  6. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    It would still be true whether it were reasonable or not. I believe a reasonable approach would be that the donkey did not physically say anything but the words coming from the donkey came from God just as the burning bush didn't say anything but God spoke out of it.
     
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    I believe that would depend on whether the literal view is reasonable or not. Obviously with parables telling fictional stories one could not view those as literally happening events.
     
  8. Wandering Monk

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    I mean, God can do anything, right? Wonder why he doesn't do those sort of things today?
     
  9. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    "The End of Prophecy
    With the passing of the last prophet, Malachi, in 3448, the 1,000-year era of prophecy came to a close. Two factors caused this cessation: first, the Jewish people were not on the exalted spiritual level required for prophets to exist. Second, prophecy functions in Eretz Israel,(and in exceptional circumstances, elsewhere) and most Jews lived outside the Land. From that point, no person would be able to proclaim, “So speaks G‑d;” those who claimed prophetic revelation were immediately recognized as frauds. However, the Jewish people were not bereft of spiritual leadership: G‑d would continue to guide Torah leaders, albeit in a more indirect manner."

    hyperlink >>> chabad.org - Anshei Knesses Hagdolah
     
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    Indeed!
     
  11. Wandering Monk

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    What makes it true?
     
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