So, precisely what might Bernie accomplish and how?
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Bernie supporters: He wins and the Democrats take back the Senate, then ...
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So, precisely what might Bernie accomplish and how?
Right. One could argue whether Socialism has been successful, even in Northern Europe, where it is probably best suited. Election of the Bern would certainly be a reason to take pause. I like his views on Wall St. and gun control. Let's see how the rest unfold.
In a way, Sanders reminds me of the Occupy Movement. In most ways, it accomplished very little, but I believe it did succeed in putting income inequality on the political map. As president, I would expect Sanders to accomplish a bit more than merely getting things like breaking up the big banks on the political map, but perhaps not much more. So much, to my mind, would depend on how effectively he can mobilize mass support for his policies.
He could decide to not wage war on anyone.This is within his power, & would be a wonderful accomplishment.
The guy strikes me as a simple minded jerk....but he just might be the best the Big Two have to offer.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
But youthful enthusiasm and the election of one charismatic leader does not a political revolution make. Even if Democrats take back the Senate (a) no one is thinking in terms of a veto-proof majority, and (b) the current class of Democrats are unlikely to wake up and discover that they've become Social Democrats.
So, precisely what might Bernie accomplish and how?
He could give away the White House silverware on a slow day.
Well, I did make it clear that was just my opinion of him.(Listening to NPR more lately, I've heard him speak, hence a lowered opinion.)
Sure, he's been at the right place at the right time to earn liberal credentials,
but I judge him based upon what he advocates, & what he'd do in office.
Even if he'd personally washed the feet of both Jesus Christ & Ronald Reagan, I don't care.
I expect others to differ in their evaluations.
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What?! No! You are supposed to be an ill-informed voter! How else are we going to win?
Realistic expectations are important. Bernie might have some pretty cool ideas, but implementation of said ideas is a whole different set of challenges.
I try not to be informed about campaign rhetoric.What?! No! You are supposed to be an ill-informed voter! How else are we going to win?
It's often misleading.
But alas, WUOM (NPR) is my station, & they're big on pushing Democratic candidates.
So I hear some things I'd rather not.
I suspect he would need to have something akin to popularity that was last enjoyed by Ronald Reagan. Reagan was the "Teflon President". No matter what got thrown at him, his popularity didn't waiver, if I recall. Eventually, that cowed significant numbers of Democrats, who even began voting for his policies. Or, at least, that's my memory of it.
b.finton
In the Unity of Faith
. . . the depth of fascism embedded in the government is made obvious. Or, some GOP nominee wins, with the same result.
Grandpa Bush funded Hitler and tried to raise an army of 500,000 soldiers in this country to stage a coup. He was supposed to be tried for treason after the war. Instead, his son and grandson became president.
The essence of fascism is to put business interests above all else, dividing factions of populations against each other so that they will blindly vote against self-interests to facilitate accomplishment of business goals. The GOP has covertly used this strategy since Roosevelt. Trump has turned dog whistles into cat calls. The battle cry is always "Us against Them."
What's really different this time is that enough "democrats" are in the pockets of big business that fascism wins this time, no matter who's elected: with the unlikely possibility that Sanders wins and sweeps out a vast majority of incumbents, permitting progressive change.
The deaths of JFK, RFK, MLK, along with the deaths at Kent State, decimated the progressive movement of the sixties. If Bernie's victory appears likely, his life expectancy fades proportionately. JFK thought his wealth would protect him when he began to oppose the weapons-testing field of Vietnam. He was wrong. Bernie has no illusions. What a Jew!
I was the first protester on the steps of the Pentagon in 1967. Sad to say, it took open-heart surgery for me to again find my courage.
Hillary? I've this question for her and her supporters: since when has a lack of scruples led to anything but trouble?
Unedited and submitted in disgust at the water situation in Flint, Michigan. Get ready, America: that's what they've got planned for all of us.
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Grandpa Bush funded Hitler and tried to raise an army of 500,000 soldiers in this country to stage a coup. He was supposed to be tried for treason after the war. Instead, his son and grandson became president.
The essence of fascism is to put business interests above all else, dividing factions of populations against each other so that they will blindly vote against self-interests to facilitate accomplishment of business goals. The GOP has covertly used this strategy since Roosevelt. Trump has turned dog whistles into cat calls. The battle cry is always "Us against Them."
What's really different this time is that enough "democrats" are in the pockets of big business that fascism wins this time, no matter who's elected: with the unlikely possibility that Sanders wins and sweeps out a vast majority of incumbents, permitting progressive change.
The deaths of JFK, RFK, MLK, along with the deaths at Kent State, decimated the progressive movement of the sixties. If Bernie's victory appears likely, his life expectancy fades proportionately. JFK thought his wealth would protect him when he began to oppose the weapons-testing field of Vietnam. He was wrong. Bernie has no illusions. What a Jew!
I was the first protester on the steps of the Pentagon in 1967. Sad to say, it took open-heart surgery for me to again find my courage.
Hillary? I've this question for her and her supporters: since when has a lack of scruples led to anything but trouble?
Unedited and submitted in disgust at the water situation in Flint, Michigan. Get ready, America: that's what they've got planned for all of us.
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b.finton
In the Unity of Faith
Advisors in Vietnam began in 1954, the year the McCaren act was passed (providing for mass incarceration of US citizens on US soil). The war became "official" under LBJ, after he lied to the American public about an attack on USS Pueblo in the Gulf of Tonkin.
JFK focused like a laser on foreign policy after the Cuban Embargo and the fiasco of the Bay of Pigs invasion. He learned of the Vietnam plans and moved to oppose them. End of story.
As for the current crisis in the Mideast? American engineering. General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 ... - YouTube
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b.finton
In the Unity of Faith
The NT makes it clear that the enemies of Mashiyach are in charge during this age.
They've sneaked into congregations, in large part, because of misunderstanding of the verse, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto G_d what is G_d's." Many are convinced that Caesar/Big Government has rights superior to human rights, forgetting the verse, "The earth is YHWH's, and the fulness thereof: the seas, and all that in them is."
I'm done with this thread.
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They've sneaked into congregations, in large part, because of misunderstanding of the verse, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto G_d what is G_d's." Many are convinced that Caesar/Big Government has rights superior to human rights, forgetting the verse, "The earth is YHWH's, and the fulness thereof: the seas, and all that in them is."
I'm done with this thread.
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BSM1
What? Me worry?
At least two things are wrong with your post (only two?). 1. The McCarren Act was passed in 1950 and 2. the Pueblo was captured by the North Koreans in 1968. The Tonkin Gulf Incident, which I agree is questionable, involved the USS Maddox. I bet you're fun at parties.
The "Business Plot" is more myth than fact. It had less behind it than Hitler's Beerhall Putsch. The popular image of it is far, far larger than what it really was, and there's no proof that Granddaddy Bush was involved.
b.finton
In the Unity of Faith
Yeah, the meds I'm on right now are pretty astonishing. Ancient history's a real reach at the moment.
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