psychoslice
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I'm crap with good English writing.
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Being "transgender" is a form of gender stereotyping.
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Homosexuals also often have feminized brain structure. It is highly unlikely that it is just a brain issue.
Not quite true. Early intervention has shown success in preventing the onset of Gender Dyhporia/GID.
What area of psychology if you don't mind? I'm for my doctorate in clinical.
Links, please?
I'd have to go a bit deeper in searching for journal articles, but:
The 'Wrong' Sex - A New Definition Of Childhood Pain - NYTimes.com
Thanx!
That article is over 20 years old. Nevertheless, those children were most likely misdiagnosed.
gsa
Well-Known Member
Just think about it for a minute: There is a "treatment" mechanism. I do not think that it is really the same as a classical mental disorder that has to be managed with varying counseling and psychiatric techniques in the case of gender dysphoria, but you are basically suggesting that we stick our heads in the sand and ignore what would actually constitute a treatment because...our sense of gender identity is offended? That just seems silly. And cruel.
Therefore?
What evidence do you have to suggest that the diagnoses of the chair of the APA's work group on Sexual and Gender Disorders for the DSM-V are incorrect?
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
It's not about feelings, it's about gender identity and physical gender attributes that do not correspond with each other.
In other words, it's outdated.
That quote is from Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist at the Clarke Institute in Toronto (since renamed as Centre for Addiction and Mental Health). That organization is very well known in the trans community for having very regressive ideas about transsexualism. It's headed by Ray Blanchard, who is well-hated by the trans community for coming up with a ridiculous model of male to female transsexualism which basically says that transsexual women are either extreme feminine gay men or straight men with a sexual fetish for fantasizing about themselves being women. (His model completely ignores trans men, such as myself.)
Zucker is known to use forms of "reparative therapy" on kids with GID and pushes quack science. The "ex-gay" movement is a fan of his.
Kenneth Zucker on transsexualism
Ray Blanchard on transsexualism
Kenneth Zuckers's reparative therapy on gender-variant children vs modern gender-care methods
Outcry prompts CAMH to review its controversial treatment of trans youth | Metro
In other words, he's a quack and really has no business being bandied around as an authority on transsexualism. I'll take the word of actual scientists and their research over that of a nutty psychologist.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, it doesn't. Any sort of reparative therapy has never been shown to be an effective treatment, unless, that is, by effective you mean causing further anguish, grief, and suffering.
It's extremely outdated. There have been many studies since then, many findings, and reparative therapy has been widely, largely, and mostly discarded and condemned as dangerous by just about every (if not all of them by now) major medical, social, psychological, and psychiatric organization.
When your article was published, we were not to the DSM V. We weren't even yet to IV. The basis of the articles claims are based on the DSM III, just before the release of IV, which means over 20 years of research has uncovered 20 years worth of new knowledge and understanding. And, of course, their is also the issue that V has been out for some time now any many are still transitioning from IV to V, so it is very unlikely anything of that article was based on IV.
The current understanding of gender dysphoria shows that it is very likely to originate from the brain. Yes, homosexuals have been observed to have some brain structures that are similar to that of the opposite sex, but the brain of the transsexual has been observed to be more than just some structures, but something that is seen throughout the brain.
Outdated in the sense that anyone has shown his work to be in error practically?
If only he'd goodthink he'd be doubleplusgood. You've addressed who his boss apparently is(not really relevant to whether he is successful), who his fans are(not at all relevant in any way), and that transexuals and transexual advocates don't like that he works to prevent the dire distress of gender dysphoria instead of assuaging it after it shows up.
Except for chairing the workgroup on transexualism for the APA when they re-wrote the DSM.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Outdated in the since that the DSM III is no longer valid, and outdated in the sense that the APA has redefined gender dysphoria twice since then. Actually, it wasn't even called gender dysphoria until V. The DSM V makes no mention of this "early intervention to prevent the onset of gender dysphoria." Rather it outlines treatment that revolves around a physical transition.
It's also outdated because today, unlike 20 years ago, the APA has condemned reparative therapy.
"Reparative therapy" has been denounced as worthless and harmful for years now.
I was providing background. Zucker attempts to shame male children with GID into not being feminine. It's based on the same faulty "research" that "reparative therapy" for gays is based on, that is, it's based on the idea that if a young male isn't raised in an environment where his masculinity is praised and given a feeling of being wanted, he's "at risk" of being gay or turning out to be trans. It's a bunch of nonsense. (Nonsense that, once again, ignores female to male transsexuals since we apparently don't exist.) Did you even bother to look at the links I posted?
And plenty of people weren't too happy about that. It doesn't mean he's not a quack.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As far as I can tell, the DSM V has caused a deal of controversy among several groups.
You'll have data, correct, to back up the assertion. I'm not talking about homosexual conversion therapy, or adult gender dysphoria conversion. Data that specifically say child gender dysphoria therapy doesn't work and causes harm. Because... you know, I just ran through PsychNet and Ebsco and didn't find that.
Of course not. What I said was that Zucker, the Dr. in the article was chosen to be the chair of the workgroup on Sexual and Gender disorders for the DSM-V. There needs to be credible reason to believe that a respected clinician specializing in child gender dysphoria is incorrect in his diagnoses.
I'll quote the head the Gender Identity Development Service in the UK: "the causation of the phenomenon of GID remains unclear and it is probably multifactorial" in Gender Dysphoria and Disorders of Sex Development. Furthermore the DSM-V states that: "Overall, current evidence is insufficient to label gender dysphoria without a disorder of sex development as a form of intersexuality limited to the central nervous system."
No, it doesn't. The DSM is a diagnostic manual, not a treatment guide.
Show where the APA has condemned Dr. Zucker's therapy, please so I can consider it. I don't imagine that they'd have on a condemned therapist as the chair for alterations in the area he is being condemned in, but if so I'd like to know.
Then, you've seen him in therapy? You've read his article detailing his practices? I haven't done either.
Being respected by his scientific peers is heavy evidence against him being a "quack".
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Of course not.
But in the plural............ all over the internet. :-
Don't tell me............. tell them.....?
It might be a horrible situation for you........... but for those who say 'This is me. This is who I am. This is my life.' And then go out there and live it......... yes, I call that bravery and confidence.
You wrotre :-
Normal?
NORMAL?
What exactly is 'normal'?
If I heard a person call anybody ABNORMAL because of their sexuality I would challenge them immediately.
And if you were a 'normal male', how would you treat Transgenders, Intersexuals and Transexuals?
Abnormal ain't so bad.
Perhaps those of us who are should embrace the word.
Perhaps those of us who are should embrace the word.
You can't talk away depression or pain either, so we should just encourage them? Lol.
I'm hoping to get a doctorate in clinical as well.