Being a gay Christian

[Neuropteron]

Thats wrong. E.g. Malakoi is "Soft Men". Effeminate men. Its not an act, or a one time thing. Its who they are.

Same with Arsenokoitai. Its who they are. They men who lie with men. MEthusai is who they are. They are drunkards. And Pornos is not just desire, and I will never say that. Its an act and those who act upon their desires. You got that right. But that does not mean these are just some "acts" that are condemned. In fact, the act of fornication as just an act is porneiai. Prostitutes are called pornai. Arsenoloitai means those who sleep/lie with men. They are called that way because their acts make them who they are. In fact, the term Malakoi is elaborately rendered by some scholars as "passive sexual partners" and Arsenokoitai as "practicing homosexuals".

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Is being gay a sin? A protestant Christian will tell you "yes". I was raised in a protestant family so this post will focus on their specific beliefs.
Gotquestions is great site ... to get a good idea of what general protestant views are on topics.
Is being gay a sin? Is it a sin to be gay? | GotQuestions.org
To someone in the LGBTQ community, being told that your sexual orientation is akin to the sin of theft and r*pe is offensive. It certainly is. stupid site
If a Christian believes that homosexuality is a sin, they should question what about being gay is a sin.
Let's say, hypothetically of course, the Christian God is real and He has declared that gay is sin. So what is the sin? Is it the love that a man feels for another man? Is that the sin, then? Certainly not. How can love be a sin, when love is God Himself? But yet being gay is a sin. But not the love part. Ah! So it must be intimate activities between two same gendered people that is a sin. But wait! Suppose two men are not intimate in that way. There was a time when it was commonplace for people to wait until marriage. So two boyfriends, how can they be in sin if they simply love one another? I think the answer is lack of submission to God.
Is eating fruit a sin? If you ask Adam or Eve, they might say "yes". But its not a sin. In fact, eating fruit is healthy. Adam and Eve sinned by eating fruit, though. It was sin because lack of submission to God. In this way, being gay is a sin, if it is a sin.
The Christian God says we do not have the right to choose who we love. We must follow His parameters. They must be a child of God, just as you are. And of course, they must be opposite gender. There doesn't have to be anything inherently wrong with being gay. Could God had made it a sin because He demands our submission?
I recently discovered that I am a gay man. For me it is a dilemma. I know that I cannot be in a straight relationship, I have tried. I am gay. So I left my partner.
The dilemma for me is this. I intend to be a Nazirite.(an Israelite consecrated to the service of God, under vows to abstain from alcohol, let the hair grow, and avoid defilement by contact with corpses (Num. 6).)
My name is Samuel. My mother died when I was a babe but she left behind the testimony of an angel. She was a literal angel on earth, this I'm sure. My grandmother told me that my mother named me Samuel because of the Bible. So I read the Bible and found that Samuel and Samson were the only two Nazirites of the Bible (excluding Paul). Samson and Samuel's nazirite vows were unique from Paul's, however. Both of them were put under the nazirite vow before they were born. With Samuel specifically, it was the mother's idea to make him a nazirite.
So, due to the testimony that my mother left behind and the name she gave me, I understood her intentions for me in this life. I was to be a nazirite.
I have tried taking the vow several times. Only two times amounted to any serious amount of time, most recently i went without drinking, visiting my mothers grave, or cutting my hair for years. However, even if I do those things while under oath, I must be a ardent servant of God. So what if I don't cut my hair, if I am religiously apathetic. To be a nazirite means to be an active servant of God, it is part of the vow. I slipped into religious apathy, so I started drinking and shaved recently. The point is that I'm serious about being a nazirite, it is one of the main driving motivations in my life.
The question I suppose this whole post is leading up to is this: can I be a gay Nazirite? I have the option in my life to stay single. I am not my emotions. If my emotions dictate to me that I am gay, then must I abandon any romantic pursuits, if I am to be a nazirite? Is being gay a sin? I don't know, it's something I'm struggling with deeply. I grew up around homophobia and was extremely homophobic myself. I still am a bit. If it is a sin, it is a sin simply because God says so, not because love is wrong.
I can live a gay lifestyle and be more of a casual Christian. I wouldn't have qualms with that. I smoke cigarettes and drink the occasional beer, yet I still have a relationship with God. Those are sins. So I'd be fine with myself if I had a boyfriend, I don't think God would cast me away. But if I am to be a Nazirite, I have to hold myself to the highest standards. For example, I can't smoke cigarettes or drink as a Nazirite. I must be in prayer and meditation constantly, I must read the Bible constantly. I must be fully committed to God's instructions and rules. If God has said I do not have the right to choose who I love, then I must accept it. If God requires me to be single as His servant, I must accept it as a Nazirite.

I'm bi and a trans man, myself, along with being a Christian. There's many of us out there. I've gone through my agonizing over it years ago and read all the theological viewpoints on it. It's not a black or white thing in Christianity, whether you're talking about the Bible or how it was viewed or dealt with throughout Christian history. It seems to stupid to think that God will cast someone into hell for having a same-sex companion and mutually loving one another.

But if you do go to hell over it, don't worry since I'm going to be burning worse than you due to being a trans man, according to some other Christians. So it doesn't matter what I do in regards to sexuality. Even if I'm celibate, I'm still going to hell. Luckily it's not up to what some hypocritical human says about it. God still loves us and created us like anyone else.

 

[ppp]

I'm bi and a trans man, myself, along with being a Christian. There's many of us out there. I've gone through my agonizing over it years ago and read all the theological viewpoints on it. It's not a black or white thing in Christianity, whether you're talking about the Bible or how it was viewed or dealt with throughout Christian history. It seems to stupid to think that God will cast someone into hell for having a same-sex companion and mutually loving one another.

But if you do go to hell over it, don't worry since I'm going to be burning worse than you due to being a trans man, according to some other Christians. So it doesn't matter what I do in regards to sexuality. Even if I'm celibate, I'm still going to hell. Luckily it's not up to what some hypocritical human says about it. God still loves us and created us like anyone else.

I won't ask how you reconciled the religion with your identity, as I am sure that's intensely personal, but how long did it take you?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I won't ask how you reconciled the religion with your identity, as I am sure that's intensely personal, but how long did it take you?

A couple years, I guess. After doing a lot of studying into what the Bible says, Christian history and practice, I came to the conclusion that romantically loving the same sex (or both) isn't a huge deal to God. He didn't even mention it (homosexuality) as one of His reasons for destroying Sodom in Ezekiel 16. That seems to be a later interpretation.

As for the trans aspect, that seems to always have been represented from the earliest times, as with the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts. What we'd call "gender variant" people now seemed to always play a part in the Church in some way and many became monks or nuns, as that was always a way to escape whatever the local culture's sex roles and expectations were.

 

[metis]

Is being gay a sin? A protestant Christian will tell you "yes". I was raised in a protestant family so this post will focus on their specific beliefs.
Gotquestions is great site ... to get a good idea of what general protestant views are on topics.
Is being gay a sin? Is it a sin to be gay? | GotQuestions.org
To someone in the LGBTQ community, being told that your sexual orientation is akin to the sin of theft and r*pe is offensive. It certainly is. stupid site
If a Christian believes that homosexuality is a sin, they should question what about being gay is a sin.
Let's say, hypothetically of course, the Christian God is real and He has declared that gay is sin. So what is the sin? Is it the love that a man feels for another man? Is that the sin, then? Certainly not. How can love be a sin, when love is God Himself? But yet being gay is a sin. But not the love part. Ah! So it must be intimate activities between two same gendered people that is a sin. But wait! Suppose two men are not intimate in that way. There was a time when it was commonplace for people to wait until marriage. So two boyfriends, how can they be in sin if they simply love one another? I think the answer is lack of submission to God.
Is eating fruit a sin? If you ask Adam or Eve, they might say "yes". But its not a sin. In fact, eating fruit is healthy. Adam and Eve sinned by eating fruit, though. It was sin because lack of submission to God. In this way, being gay is a sin, if it is a sin.
The Christian God says we do not have the right to choose who we love. We must follow His parameters. They must be a child of God, just as you are. And of course, they must be opposite gender. There doesn't have to be anything inherently wrong with being gay. Could God had made it a sin because He demands our submission?
I recently discovered that I am a gay man. For me it is a dilemma. I know that I cannot be in a straight relationship, I have tried. I am gay. So I left my partner.
The dilemma for me is this. I intend to be a Nazirite.(an Israelite consecrated to the service of God, under vows to abstain from alcohol, let the hair grow, and avoid defilement by contact with corpses (Num. 6).)
My name is Samuel. My mother died when I was a babe but she left behind the testimony of an angel. She was a literal angel on earth, this I'm sure. My grandmother told me that my mother named me Samuel because of the Bible. So I read the Bible and found that Samuel and Samson were the only two Nazirites of the Bible (excluding Paul). Samson and Samuel's nazirite vows were unique from Paul's, however. Both of them were put under the nazirite vow before they were born. With Samuel specifically, it was the mother's idea to make him a nazirite.
So, due to the testimony that my mother left behind and the name she gave me, I understood her intentions for me in this life. I was to be a nazirite.
I have tried taking the vow several times. Only two times amounted to any serious amount of time, most recently i went without drinking, visiting my mothers grave, or cutting my hair for years. However, even if I do those things while under oath, I must be a ardent servant of God. So what if I don't cut my hair, if I am religiously apathetic. To be a nazirite means to be an active servant of God, it is part of the vow. I slipped into religious apathy, so I started drinking and shaved recently. The point is that I'm serious about being a nazirite, it is one of the main driving motivations in my life.
The question I suppose this whole post is leading up to is this: can I be a gay Nazirite? I have the option in my life to stay single. I am not my emotions. If my emotions dictate to me that I am gay, then must I abandon any romantic pursuits, if I am to be a nazirite? Is being gay a sin? I don't know, it's something I'm struggling with deeply. I grew up around homophobia and was extremely homophobic myself. I still am a bit. If it is a sin, it is a sin simply because God says so, not because love is wrong.
I can live a gay lifestyle and be more of a casual Christian. I wouldn't have qualms with that. I smoke cigarettes and drink the occasional beer, yet I still have a relationship with God. Those are sins. So I'd be fine with myself if I had a boyfriend, I don't think God would cast me away. But if I am to be a Nazirite, I have to hold myself to the highest standards. For example, I can't smoke cigarettes or drink as a Nazirite. I must be in prayer and meditation constantly, I must read the Bible constantly. I must be fully committed to God's instructions and rules. If God has said I do not have the right to choose who I love, then I must accept it. If God requires me to be single as His servant, I must accept it as a Nazirite.

Jesus' Two Commandments that he said is the basis of what he believed we should accept and do are the love of God and the love of neighbor [all], thus a person who's gay, transgender, etc. can do that as well.

Also, we have to remember that the scriptures also reflect subjective cultural influences.