Being a gay Christian

[pearl]

Again that is their choice, the idea a deity would be offended by consenting adults having sex is a pretty preposterous one though.

Is the problem the deity or our concept of.

 

[Sheldon]

Doesn't seem vague to me Sheldon. What is it about that passage, that you are struggling to understand?

As I said, why waste 4 of ten commandments and not emphatically denounce harming a child, or denounce rape, or slavery, and have done with it. Yet 4 separate commandments wasted on how a deity is to be worshipped.

 

[Sheldon]

Is the problem the deity or our concept of.

If a deity existed that has limitless knowledge to create a message, and limitless power to communicate it, then blaming evolved mammalian apes for not properly understanding it seems absurd.

 

[RestlessSoul]

As I said, why waste 4 of ten commandments and not emphatically denounce harming a child, or denounce rape, or slavery, and have done with it. Yet 4 separate commandments wasted on how a deity is to be worshipped.

Right, I see. You’re determined to focus on the Old Testament. Not sure that’s the best way to get a Christian perspective tbh.

 

[1213]

Who cares, an intense dislike of something is entirely subjective and therefore meaningless. If one uses adherence to archaic biblical bigotry, then you must think stoning unruly children at the edge of town is ok, and slavery?

You will have to do a lot better than simply quoting homophobic bigotry from the bible or quran, in order to justify it.

My answer was for what is the wrong thing. If you don't like what the Bible says, it is irrelevant in this case, because the issue was not about is it good or right, all though I agree with the Bible. In addition to that, I think it is especially good to notice, disciples of Jesus should love even enemies, so love in Biblical sense is not a problem.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

I think people should not be slaves, that is why I am against mandatory taxation.

And about stoning, I don’t think people who are not judges set by God, should give any penalties.

 

[Truthseeker]

"There's nothing wrong with it, unless you engage in it."





Sex is the physical expression of intimacy and romantic love.

As an atheist, you would know nothing about spiritual love. You only know about romantic love, which is not lasting and dies over time. My love for Sara is not romantic. i did have some romantic feelings at first, but they died out, leaving me with spiritual love. It has lasted for 39 years. She is not attracted to me sexually at all, as she is gay and not bisexual. Don't appreciate the sarcasm of your emoticon. I'm entitled to my point of view.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

As an atheist, you would know nothing about spiritual love.

Just like you as a non-believer of the Jedi, would know nothing about The Force.

You only know about romantic love, which is not lasting and dies over time. My love for Sara is not romantic. i did have some romantic feelings at first, but they died out, leaving me with spiritual love. It has lasted for 39 years. She is not attracted to me sexually at all, as she is gay and not bisexual.

What you speak of is "platonic love".
Calling it "spiritual" doesn't make it "extra special".

As for me, I'm romantically in love with my fiancee and have been for 25 years (since high school, actually). Not died out at all.
Instead, the connection just runs deeper over time.

Next to that, there's also deep friendship, mutual respect and deep rooted loyalty.
And sex. Lots and lots of sex.

Don't appreciate the sarcasm of your emoticon. I'm entitled to my point of view.

It wasn't sarcasm.
I was rolling my eyes at the hypocrisy of that statement.

 

[Neuropteron]

Is being gay a sin? A protestant Christian will tell you "yes"..

Hi,

The Bible does not say being Gay is a sin.
However it clearly identifies homesexual "acts" as being a sin.

It the same for heterosexuals, immorality is the sin, not the desires associated with our inclinations.

.

 

[an anarchist]

Are you Jewish like I am? If not, you are freed from being a Nazirite.

I’m not Jewish, though I’ve gone through the rite of circumcision (something I was really salty about at first when I realized in high school, but have grown to appreciate).
Though I may want to be a Nazirite, perhaps it is not for me. To take such a vow to God and then break it is dangerous. To do it repeatedly is more so. I may be best to just let it go to avoid the Lord’s wrath. Best to fear Him. Better not to make a vow than to make one.

 

[firedragon]

Hi,

The Bible does not say being Gay is a sin.
However it clearly identifies homesexual "acts" as being a sin.

It the same for heterosexuals, immorality is the sin, not the desires associated with our inclinations.

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Thats interesting. Do you think Methusoi, Malakoi, Pornos, Arsenokoitus, are all just "acts"? Not themselves?

 

[Sheldon]

Right, I see. You’re determined to focus on the Old Testament. Not sure that’s the best way to get a Christian perspective tbh.

I'm not a Christian, so my posts are unlikely to give a perspective biased towards that belief. I also find it absurd that a deity with omnipotence and omniscience would need a second book, to correct it's failure in the first book. Also many Christians seem to have the perspective that the ten commandments are an essential part of their beliefs, they're in the OT right?

 

[Sheldon]

I agree with the Bible.

Well the bible specifically endorses slavery, condemns people who happen to be born gay, and claims unruly children should be stoned, and witches murdered, to name but a few.

 

[Neuropteron]

Thats interesting. Do you think Methusoi, Malakoi, Pornos, Arsenokoitus, are all just "acts"? Not themselves?

Hi,
Malakoi and Arsenokoitai are the two Greek expressions found in
1st Corinthians 6: 9-10 and can be translated as "homosexual".
That verse specifically says that "fornicators, idolater, adulterers, nor men who lie with men,...." will inherit God's Kingdom.

For instance an adulterer is a married person who commits fornication with a person he/she is not married with. However simply having the desire to commit this "sin" does not make him/her an adulterer.

The same with a person who is born with affinity towards his/her same sex.
Since the person in question has no say in this condition, It only becomes a sin when this desire leads to dissaproved action.

 

[an anarchist]

However simply having the desire to commit this "sin" does not make him/her an adulterer.

I counter with Matthew 5:28 having adulterous thoughts is just as bad as committing adultery itself.

 

[Neuropteron]

I counter with Matthew 5:28 having adulterous thoughts is just as bad as committing adultery itself.

Hi,
Looking to find the truth is not a chess game, but I understand your reply, it does make sense.
However the context (of this issue) is referring to continualy cultivating unclean thoughts because ultimately they will lead to action since these actions are fueled by thoughts.
Jesus was warning us of this fact, but not suggesting that we will be judged for thinking something, especially if a person does not have complete control over his feelings.
Nonetheless I cannot be dogmatik about this understanding of Jesus statement, your faith is your own and I respect that.

 

[firedragon]

Hi,
Malakoi and Arsenokoitai are the two Greek expressions found in
1st Corinthians 6: 9-10 and can be translated as "homosexual".
That verse specifically says that "fornicators, idolater, adulterers, nor men who lie with men,...." will inherit God's Kingdom.

For instance an adulterer is a married person who commits fornication with a person he/she is not married with. However simply having the desire to commit this "sin" does not make him/her an adulterer.

The same with a person who is born with affinity towards his/her same sex.
Since the person in question has no say in this condition, It only becomes a sin when this desire leads to dissaproved action.

Thats wrong. E.g. Malakoi is "Soft Men". Effeminate men. Its not an act, or a one time thing. Its who they are.

Same with Arsenokoitai. Its who they are. They men who lie with men. MEthusai is who they are. They are drunkards. And Pornos is not just desire, and I will never say that. Its an act and those who act upon their desires. You got that right. But that does not mean these are just some "acts" that are condemned. In fact, the act of fornication as just an act is porneiai. Prostitutes are called pornai. Arsenoloitai means those who sleep/lie with men. They are called that way because their acts make them who they are. In fact, the term Malakoi is elaborately rendered by some scholars as "passive sexual partners" and Arsenokoitai as "practicing homosexuals".

 

[RestlessSoul]

I'm not a Christian, so my posts are unlikely to give a perspective biased towards that belief. I also find it absurd that a deity with omnipotence and omniscience would need a second book, to correct it's failure in the first book. Also many Christians seem to have the perspective that the ten commandments are an essential part of their beliefs, they're in the OT right?

God didn’t write the books, people did; to take every word of the Bible literally, is to hold to an extreme, fundamentalist position. No surprise that you share such a perspective, if not the associated beliefs.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I’m not Jewish, though I’ve gone through the rite of circumcision (something I was really salty about at first when I realized in high school, but have grown to appreciate).
Though I may want to be a Nazirite, perhaps it is not for me. To take such a vow to God and then break it is dangerous. To do it repeatedly is more so. I may be best to just let it go to avoid the Lord’s wrath. Best to fear Him. Better not to make a vow than to make one.

Better than all the above per the Bible is to walk in freedom via trusting Christ as opposed to salvation via rule and law and vow keeping.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

i think you already know the answer to your own question, you've answered it succinctly.

Ok so you are attracted to the same sex, you know that Gods laws forbid that. Having such an attraction is not the problem, we are imperfect and surrounded by a world which promotes all manner of sin. The problem is acting on it when you know it is against Gods laws.

So the only thing you can do is decide what is more important to you, what gives you the greater fulfillment, what is in your best interest and what will offer you the best outcome.

If God is important to you, then you know you need to put the other interests aside and focus on your relationship with God. If you persue something that is against Gods standards, you know he will abandon you. So choose wisely.

One should listen to God and not books written by bigoted authors who are likely struggling with things they don’t want to admit to.

 

[Sheldon]

God didn’t write the books, people did;

Well of course, why on earth would you tell an atheist this?

to take every word of the Bible literally,

Again you might be better served telling this to theists who do this, not an atheist who does not believe any of it is divine in origin.

is to hold to an extreme, fundamentalist position. No surprise that you share such a perspective, if not the associated beliefs.

No surprise you'd make such an obviously false assertion more like. I don't hold to any of it, just because I don't care to cherry pick and subjectively interpret the text, in a vain attempt to try and make sense of it, doesn't mean I hold to any of it. On the contrary, I am quite specifically pointing out the absurdity of the claims of people who do.